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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 4053898" data-attributes="member: 9037">Wow it still blows my mind that people think if you can't cast spells then you are totally useless. Let me guess you also don't like playing in a game where you actually run out of spells? Or if you can't sneak attack then your rogue is useless?Under your style of play you can never have any magic dead zones, undead or constructs or send clerics to the abyssal plane or simply have a spellcaster run out of spells  because you then nullify some or all that characters powers for the session. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> How do you deal with spells like sleep or hold person or fear? Those can take you out of a battle?Losing spells or not being able to backstab does not make you a zero level NPC you still have your BAB and your skills and there are other things you can do. How about aiding another which gives them a +2 to their attack. Or do what I did in the null magic zone. I used my bow and since my sorcerer had a pretty good dex I threw vials of acid and alchemical fire. Yeah the fighters that night got more glory but I did get to play and use my high chr and diplomacy to save the party butts during part of the session.The paladin/cleric stuck in the abyssal plane made good use of his weapons skill and bab while he was there. When I played the rogue fighting undead I use my tumble skills to get in hit and get out without being touched. I threw holy water and saved the fighter when he got paralyzed.It is not DM fiat or the DM being a meenie it s a DM giving a challange that makes the party think outside of the box. And sometimes it is the DM giving other players a chance to shine.We had the choice to go the abyss we knew that the paladin/cleric would run out of spells and that we would end up being dependent on healing potions and the bard to keep us alive. But we still went and everyone had a good time. As for the null magic zone we also had a choice to go around it but we voted as a group to go through because it was faster. I have never played in a game with a DM who was going out of his way to ruin a players time.Comparing it to Monopoly is not the same thing at all. Because there is more to DnD then just casting a spell or back stabbing or rolling to hit. There is also role playing. solving puzzles, interacting with the game world. coming up with tactics there is more to DnD than just being great at killing things. That is hardly the same as playing monopoly and not being allowed to buy property or spend money. I guess if you play a beer and pretzels game then this is not true and I can see why it might not be fun to play in a game that has more plot and a different kind of challange.You said that you find a game I play in or run to be unfun well to that I would have to say that I would find it boring to have to DM for you I would never be allowed to throw any challange that might disrupt you being able to use your abilites at 100%. I could never have a world that has areas destroyed by magical wars that leave null zones or weird wacky areas. I would never be able to really push you because you would not have fun if you actually ran out of spells and the day was not over. I would never be able to send you into Cyre in Eberron if you were playing a mage or a cleric because how wacky magic acts there.I accept that not all people want to play the way my group does but I would not go as far as you did and say that a DM that does this is a horrible DM.</blockquote>

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