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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 4059379" data-attributes="member: 9037">I think part of this is the term useless. I think useless can be very subjective. For example for some players not being able to do max damage say like a rogue fighting undead can make them feel useless.  For others it may mean not being able to do anything at all because their character was taken out of the game because they were under a spell or they died. Or they feel useless  compared to another player.I recently had a player tell me that she felt useless in the game. She was playing an archer and she felt that she could not be as effective as the monk and cleric in combat. Two encounters I planned to give her chance to really shine didn't work because of bad dice rolls on her part. In the one encounter against a flying enemy she kept rolling badly and in the end the bard using a wand of magic missle killed the flying enemy.In the second encounter she was failed a will save and was out of the combat for two rounds in the end she did help bring down the bad guys but to her it was a hollow victory.When we talked she kept using the term useless. I didn't feel she was useless at all she was playing a ranger and had used her track and wildnerness skills to lead the party through the forrest. She could not get over the fact that the cleric and monk did more damage. So she brought in a new character a sorcerer and I hope she will be happy we have only played once since she changed characters.Know she didn't whine at all over this and she didn't bring it up until after the game. I still think  she was wrong on the idea of feeling useless but you can't tell someone else that their feelings are wrong it is how they feel.Which is why I think these kind of threads often go in circles because a lot of what is being discussed is a subjective feeling.</blockquote>

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