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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4060127" data-attributes="member: 18280"><p>Oh, my friend, I could not agree with you more.</p><p></p><p>I was looking at the 3e DMG the other day, and that book does indeed have a small word count devoted to the idea that, as a DM, the encounters you create cause certain types of play to be rewarded, and that you should be aware of this because play that is rewarded will certainly be modelled by your players. If you want to run a detailed campaign world where things like rations and ammo matter, and Bob has ADD and can't be bothered to count ammo, then Bob might not be a good fit for your game. It doesn't mean that you have to run the game Bob wants.</p><p></p><p>I think that the OP touched a nerve because folks see themselves in the Allegedly Whiney Player. They read the OP, and say, "Heck, I've acted like that....and I was justified in doing so, gosh darn it!" I think this because I've acted like the AWP myself, both as relates to D&D and as relates to real life, from time to time. And it is seductively easy to claim that one is justified in being a jerk, instead of facing oneself and admitting that one has been a jerk. It is much, much easier than apologizing for being a jerk. So, we all have a tendency to want to defend jerks who are jerks in ways that we've been jerks. And most of us (if not all of us) have been whiney players (or whiney DMs) at some point.</p><p></p><p>That's just human nature.</p><p></p><p></p><p>RC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 4060127, member: 18280"] Oh, my friend, I could not agree with you more. I was looking at the 3e DMG the other day, and that book does indeed have a small word count devoted to the idea that, as a DM, the encounters you create cause certain types of play to be rewarded, and that you should be aware of this because play that is rewarded will certainly be modelled by your players. If you want to run a detailed campaign world where things like rations and ammo matter, and Bob has ADD and can't be bothered to count ammo, then Bob might not be a good fit for your game. It doesn't mean that you have to run the game Bob wants. I think that the OP touched a nerve because folks see themselves in the Allegedly Whiney Player. They read the OP, and say, "Heck, I've acted like that....and I was justified in doing so, gosh darn it!" I think this because I've acted like the AWP myself, both as relates to D&D and as relates to real life, from time to time. And it is seductively easy to claim that one is justified in being a jerk, instead of facing oneself and admitting that one has been a jerk. It is much, much easier than apologizing for being a jerk. So, we all have a tendency to want to defend jerks who are jerks in ways that we've been jerks. And most of us (if not all of us) have been whiney players (or whiney DMs) at some point. That's just human nature. RC [/QUOTE]
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