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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4062882" data-attributes="member: 18280">Of course not.  Which is why, for example, I advised the OP to speak with his other players.However, I also argued (as did others) that while there may be a real problem -- and definitions of what qualifies as a real problem vary  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> -- his whining is not made valid by that.If there is a real problem, and mature behaviour cannot fix it, you can be fairly certain that whining will not fix it, either.  If speaking calmly and reasonably to the DM doesn't help, you should simply leave the game.  Even if there is a real problem, but the player makes no attempt to deal with it maturely, you as a DM should not have to tolerate whining.  If speaking calmly and reasonably to the player doesn't help, you should ask that player to leave the game.  And, yes, "ask" is a euphemism here.Simply because you don't have to tolerate whining, it does not imply that you should not consider potential problems that said whining might have uncovered.  Ultimately, though, there is a great deal of spread in potential playstyles, and just because one person believes something to be a problem doesn't mean it is.  You should try to examine it honestly, but should not feel that you have to change your playstyle unless you want to.(It is also a given that, in some cases, this will mean that you have no players, and you might therefore be forced to reexamine what you really want if you want to DM in a more than theoretical sense.)RC</blockquote>

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