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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 5626876" data-attributes="member: 18701">I'm sure I've lost it a few times. I do have a short fuse and I used to let people argue with me to the point where I'd start raising my voice in frustration. I've learned to stop letting myself get to that point and I no longer will play with people that do these sort of things. I've always shown people respect, especially since I'd never be like that with my DM (definitely not with someone that I barely know).I dealt with that same thing early in my DMing career. It's actually a tough spot to be in. Besides pleading to them to remember to trust me and that I'm not playing against them, one way that I kept players from thinking like that is by having all of my NPCs along with their gear and spells written out on paper. So they know I'm not just pulling some shenanigans just to thwart them. It seemed to help a lot. He would have definitely went for the 24 charisma if I simply just told him the scores. Part of the 30 minute arguing was me explaining how a charisma score doesn't only relate to looks. He kept agreeing with me. He also kept agreeing with me that I shouldn't metagame and tell him the scores. But then he kept saying things like, "....but is she like an 18 charisma or more like a 20 or higher charisma?!?!" It made no sense.He wasn't even satisfied when I kept saying that she's an elf and she's the best looking person in the tavern. We kept having discussions about individual perceptions, whether or not a super model is better looking than a regular model, etc, etc. We weren't having these discussions because we were just wondering. We were having them because we were trying to solve whether or not his PC thinks a woman is an 18 Cha (or even higher) or if she is "very attractive" but that could mean she's only a 16 Cha.The funny thing is, he became a good friend of mine that I still occasionally talk to. I just never bring that day up. I don't want to relive it.</blockquote>

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