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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 2595369" data-attributes="member: 1656">That's why I'm asking if you'd allow the off-hand weapon to be used with a main iterative attack (or vice-versa).Let's say you use an off-hand attack with the whip to trip.  Your immediate free attack is as if you had not used the attack to trip... so your immediate free attack is also an off-hand attack.  If someone couldn't use their off-hand attack from TWF to make an attack with their primary weapon, then they can't use their primary rapier with an attack that only exists as if they hadn't used an off-hand attack to trip.Let's say you use a primary attack with the whip to trip, and the rapier is your off-hand weapon.  If your answer to the longsword/shortsword example is that the shortsword can only be used for off-hand attacks, and not for main iterative attacks, then the rapier cannot be used to follow up with Improved Trip.  If your answer is that both longsword and shortsword can be used for main iterative attacks in the same round, then the rapier can be used to follow up.-Hyp.</blockquote>