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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 4987615" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well, with #2 the question is the "using" question. You mentioned several different things there and I haven't seen anyone consider all of them, so I expect that some of what you're saying is true or at least true under some interpretations.The nut of the issue really revolves around the secondary damage roll (which BTW IS a separate damage roll, it can't be part of the main damage roll as it doesn't even go against the same target in the case of Whirling Frenzy at least). Certainly it uses the W of the off-hand weapon. The question is what else is governed by the off-hand weapon? Which weapon's enhancement bonus do you use? Which one's crit properties would you use? Is it even possible to call the off-hand damage roll part of a crit? Etc. <a href="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/21011997/Whirling_Barbarian" target="_blank">Whoops! Browser Settings Incompatible</a>is the most complete thread on the subject over there. I think there is something approaching agreement that there are a couple of ways it could be handled. I didn't get the impression though that we came to any firm conclusions.</blockquote>