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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blackbrrd" data-source="post: 5073039" data-attributes="member: 63962">Now then, I don't get the part where you put 18/18 in str/wis for a two-weapon ranger. He is probably much better of with a 20/15 split and go for scalemail.When it comes to the bow-ranger he is better of with a 20/15 dex/wis split giving him better AC than the Barbarian, and AC is the most important defense? Oh, regarding that - I think it's something like this: AC 50%, Ref 20%, Fort 15%, Will 15%. In other words AC/Ref is the most important. The bow ranger comes out on top I believe. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />When it comes to the barbarian, he is going to go for a 20/15 str/dex split or a 18/18 str/dex split. If he goes for the first his AC will be very bad. I think most players would go for 18/18 or maybe 19/17.Anyway, as noted above it's easier for the Ranger, especially the bow-ranger to go for a 20 main stat, and really that makes the Ranger quite a bit more offensive. A 20 vs an 18 main stat is about a 5-15% difference in DPR.Mostly I think we agree here, this is just nitpicking. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Hmm... I think I managed to misplace my point here. The Ranger is more precise, being able to deliver the damage where he wants. The Barbarian has to attack where he can get adjacent to two foes. This is especially true for the Bow-ranger which I personally think is more valuable than a dual-wield ranger.When it comes down to utility-powers the Ranger wins when it comes to damage avoidance. He will probably just shift all over the place, and with the bow-ranger starting at range he is nearly impossible to pin down*.*From experience as a DM. If my mobs went after the bow-ranger it is a waste of time 90% of the time. I need to get the Ranger dazed or immobilized to have any chance of taking him down before my mobs all die, having wasted lots of actions on the bow ranger. Hmm did I mention I think the bow-ranger is a VERY good build, not just for DPR, but for just being a pain and focus-firing all my mobs down? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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