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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tgwg" data-source="post: 5073076" data-attributes="member: 83331">that was to compare their defenses if they were both optimixed for defense.  you're probably right but even if that were the case the ranger's AC would still fall behind the barbarian's 17+ enhancementvs.13+ barbarain agility + dex + enhancement  not that bad, just two points below but i agree that most tempest barbarians would go for the 18/18.  actualy only the two weapon ranger's encounters or daily's will be affected from the str increase. for those who don't know twin strike doesn't at str. and the DPR increase would be 5-7% but mostly because of the increase in +attack. still nothing to sneaze at. however in order to increase this offensive power this much the two weapon ranger must sacrifice a large amount of defense which for melee characters especially is dangerous. (bow rangers are immune to this because they are getting a 20 in dex, are removed from the battle, and are awesome)  actualy because of the barbarian's agility increasing at each tier, a 18str/18dex barbarian would have the same AC and ref as a 20dex/15wish at heroic teir and more at paragon and epic if they both increase their dex every chance they got  we're getting off topic. the main comparison here is between the tempest barbarian and the two weapon ranger. the bow ranger's play style and stat division is much to different to be a fair comparison with the tempest barbarian or the two weapon ranger.  the point i'm trying to make is that under the "2 rolls" rule the comparison between the tempest barbarian and the two weapon ranger (and ONLY the two weapon ranger) is unfair to the two weapon ranger because the barbarian can do about as much damage but his much beter defenses give him more chance to do his damage without worrying about his life.  I feel that the tradeoff between offense and defense that would follow the "1 roll" ruling would be more balanced because the barbarian would trade offense for defense instead of keeping the same amount of offense and gaining greater defense</blockquote>

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