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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blackbrrd" data-source="post: 5073171" data-attributes="member: 63962">Hmm...Read up on the rules regarding damage etc, etc... I have decided I am unsure of how to handle this again. When you mentioned critical damage it sure made me think. It just doesn't add up completely for me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />I think the rules as written aren't clear on what damage Whirling Rend is supposed to do.What I feel is the right way of thinking it is as follows:Whirling rend has one attack you roll to-hit for. It gets maximized on a crit and you add the extra crit-damage. The second damage roll is the result of a auto-hit that's never mentioned and can never crit. A bit like the auto-damage from the level 5 fighter daily Rain of Steel.Hmm... Looking at Rain of Steel, they could have made this relatively clear if they had just put the off-hand damage in the effect block. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Oki, oki, it makes no sense. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Btw, the ranger comes out a bit better because if you crit on any of the two attacks you can choose to have your quarry damage on that hit, and maximized. That 4.5/9/13.5 average damage turns into 8, 16 or 24 damage.</blockquote>

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