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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tgwg" data-source="post: 5073200" data-attributes="member: 83331">by "versatile" do you mean the fact that the ranger has the option of spreading out his damage or focusing it?  versatility vs beter defenses and hp? it still doesn't seem like a fair trade  i think you're reading the rules wrong. Effects that add +attack to the next attack roll can only affect 1 attack roll so even if 2 attack rolls happen simultaneously you have to chose which one adds the +attack. or i could be mistaken, could we get a third vote here?  viable isn't the same as superior. the ranger has to spend 2 feats on armor proficiency and still isn't near the barbarian's level of defense or hp for that matter  again "well enough" vs superior.  should i make a chart concerning their respective defenses?  hunter's quary is not a separate damage roll. it is an "extra damage roll." it's added on to an existing damage roll so it doesn't get any modifiers unless a feat or ability overrides this rule. the reason why whirling rend is disputed is because it's ambiguous if the second "damage roll" is realy a damage roll or an effect that just uses the dice size of your offhand weapon.  have i made an error in my calculations or is there a particular part of my example that doesn't sense that i could possibly make clearer.  the "two rolls" rule does seem more logical and it actualy has backup according to the power itself. what i'm worried about is that, under this ruling, the tempest barbarian would be better then the two weapon ranger and upset the balance that I love about 4e. (that and break the game my friend is DMing) i guess i'm just waiting for The Wizard's ruling on this. If The Wizard says it's 1 roll then it's 1 roll. If the Wizard says it's 2 rolls then i'll be an INCREADIBLY HAPPY MUNCHKIN.  There is a Huge way for this to be taken advantage of, much more then you may think. p.s. what is the ruling behind Rain of steel. sorry i'm not familiar with that one. is enhancement bonus and or weapon focus added?</blockquote>

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