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<blockquote data-quote="Wofano Wotanto" data-source="post: 9638978" data-attributes="member: 7044704">Given the era of D&amp;D we're in, I think it depends on how well the monster's save-or-die rolls go against the venom from that funky serpent shield the barbarian's using.The &quot;mixed response&quot; hadn't really taken off at this point, since only the first trilogy is out and ended on as upbeat a note as anything in this collection of misery porn.&nbsp; There were people who hit the SA scene early in book one and noped right out, but that was (unfortunately) nowhere near as automatic a response in the late Seventies.&nbsp; In 1980 Donaldson was still getting way more rave reviews than real pans, although that ratio would change steadily as more books came out.The past is an alien place.&nbsp;&nbsp; Good three years before FASA Trek came out to give you something to use them with, too.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />This really was not a complex strategic game by the standards of its day, with fairly few systems on the map, a quite basic economic system and clever but abstract combat that played out very quickly without resorting to using a CRT.&nbsp; The fact that they used an almost identical system for Dark Nebula is telling - that was a 120 series game, intended to be played in about two hours.&nbsp; Closest thing to &quot;involved&quot; were the random events during the interwar phases, where you rolled for political influences that could skew your strategies in weird, unpredictable directions and leave you ahead or behind when the next war started.Give GDW a few years and they'd come out with Fifth Frontier War and then we'll see something truly complex.&nbsp; Worth noting that it's all about fighting on board small spaceships, not a more versatile skirmish rules set that could easily be used for dirtside encounters.&nbsp; The system used in Azhanti High Lightning was very similar, with some tweaks to allow for fighting on a much larger warship than anything seen in Snapshot.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wofano Wotanto, post: 9638978, member: 7044704"] Given the era of D&D we're in, I think it depends on how well the monster's save-or-die rolls go against the venom from that funky serpent shield the barbarian's using. The "mixed response" hadn't really taken off at this point, since only the first trilogy is out and ended on as upbeat a note as anything in this collection of misery porn. There were people who hit the SA scene early in book one and noped right out, but that was (unfortunately) nowhere near as automatic a response in the late Seventies. In 1980 Donaldson was still getting way more rave reviews than real pans, although that ratio would change steadily as more books came out. The past is an alien place. Good three years before FASA Trek came out to give you something to use them with, too. :) This really was not a complex strategic game by the standards of its day, with fairly few systems on the map, a quite basic economic system and clever but abstract combat that played out very quickly without resorting to using a CRT. The fact that they used an almost identical system for Dark Nebula is telling - that was a 120 series game, intended to be played in about two hours. Closest thing to "involved" were the random events during the interwar phases, where you rolled for political influences that could skew your strategies in weird, unpredictable directions and leave you ahead or behind when the next war started. Give GDW a few years and they'd come out with Fifth Frontier War and then we'll see something truly complex. Worth noting that it's all about fighting on board small spaceships, not a more versatile skirmish rules set that could easily be used for dirtside encounters. The system used in Azhanti High Lightning was very similar, with some tweaks to allow for fighting on a much larger warship than anything seen in Snapshot. [/QUOTE]

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