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<blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 4161948" data-attributes="member: 32536">Well, no, if you know nothing about the meaning of the term &quot;White Raven&quot;, then it is meaningless. That said, that isn't really any different than any other term in D&amp;D. Even basic class names that long-term players take for granted are fairly unintuitive if you think about it. The name &quot;Ranger&quot; has very different connotations in most modern usage than &quot;wilderness guy who uses a bow and two weapons&quot;, and the word &quot;Rogue&quot; does not necessarily imply a stealthy thief who strikes from the shadows. Certainly, even if you drop the name &quot;Mordenkainen&quot;, there is absolutely no logical connection between the word 'Disjunction&quot; and the effect of dis-enchanting magical items.That said, every long-term player in the history of the game has gotten used to these terms and accepts their usage. I mean, look at the old Wizard Schools... Jargon words like Abjuration, Transmutation, and Conjuration weren't even consistently applied across the game and tended to be highly-counter-intuitive in the first place, yet they became deeply ingrained in many player's understanding of the game. The word &quot;evocation&quot; is rooted in the work &quot;evoke&quot;, which has absolutely nothing to do with attacks of any kind (and is pretty much a synonym for &quot;summon&quot; or &quot;conjure&quot; in some uses), yet has very distinct usage related to attack magic in older versions of D&amp;D that is not questioned at this point.I really don't see how &quot;White Raven&quot; is any worse at all than any other bit of jargon in the history of the game. I suppose because it has fewer existing connotations, it actually is transferred into being jargon much more easily, because unlike &quot;evocation&quot; its use as jargon does not contradict the innate connotations of the word and possible uses in other jargon (I have seen &quot;evocation&quot; be used as a word for demon summoning and dragon-god summoning in various other games, but White Raven is unique).Also, I think it is important to remember that jargon exists because it is useful. If they name every Power relating to a certain aspect of a warlord's abilities &quot;White Raven&quot;, then it is much easier for a player trying to build a character around that aspect to find appropriate powers.Anyways, no one in my gaming group had a problem with the meaning of the term White Raven when I made a White Raven/Iron Heart Warblade, so I can say from my own experience, at least, that the term &quot;White Raven&quot; works well enough as something to add meaning to the game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TwinBahamut, post: 4161948, member: 32536"] Well, no, if you know nothing about the meaning of the term "White Raven", then it is meaningless. That said, that isn't really any different than any other term in D&D. Even basic class names that long-term players take for granted are fairly unintuitive if you think about it. The name "Ranger" has [i]very[/i] different connotations in most modern usage than "wilderness guy who uses a bow and two weapons", and the word "Rogue" does not necessarily imply a stealthy thief who strikes from the shadows. Certainly, even if you drop the name "Mordenkainen", there is absolutely no logical connection between the word 'Disjunction" and the effect of dis-enchanting magical items. That said, every long-term player in the history of the game has gotten used to these terms and accepts their usage. I mean, look at the old Wizard Schools... Jargon words like Abjuration, Transmutation, and Conjuration weren't even consistently applied across the game and tended to be highly-counter-intuitive in the first place, yet they became deeply ingrained in many player's understanding of the game. The word "evocation" is rooted in the work "evoke", which has absolutely nothing to do with attacks of any kind (and is pretty much a synonym for "summon" or "conjure" in some uses), yet has very distinct usage related to attack magic in older versions of D&D that is not questioned at this point. I really don't see how "White Raven" is any worse at all than any other bit of jargon in the history of the game. I suppose because it has fewer existing connotations, it actually is transferred into being jargon much more easily, because unlike "evocation" its use as jargon does not contradict the innate connotations of the word and possible uses in other jargon (I have seen "evocation" be used as a word for demon summoning and dragon-god summoning in various other games, but White Raven is unique). Also, I think it is important to remember that jargon exists because it is useful. If they name every Power relating to a certain aspect of a warlord's abilities "White Raven", then it is much easier for a player trying to build a character around that aspect to find appropriate powers. Anyways, no one in my gaming group had a problem with the meaning of the term White Raven when I made a White Raven/Iron Heart Warblade, so I can say from my own experience, at least, that the term "White Raven" works well enough as something to add meaning to the game. [/QUOTE]

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