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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4165313" data-attributes="member: 22779">Granted, when I said Basic and Expert rules I was referring the Mentzer which most certainly was loaded with campaign setting.&nbsp; Heck, a fair chunk of the Expert rules details what would later become Mystara.But, 1e was a blank slate?&nbsp; Really?&nbsp; Your 1e books didn't have racial relation charts?&nbsp; &nbsp; That's just to name one example.&nbsp; It's been a while since I actually cracked open those books, but, everyone who's a fan of 1e tells me how much setting is actually detailed within those pages.&nbsp; When I disagreed, I got quoted chapter and verse.&nbsp; So, I'm thinking that you're right out to lunch here.&nbsp; The entire Artifacts section is nothing but Greyhawk lore.&nbsp; A large number of the monsters are Greyhawk specific.&nbsp; The races are modeled after Greyhawk - down to specific subraces (Grey Elves anyone?&nbsp; Never mind the Drow).&nbsp; The list is long of setting specific material there is in the core rules of 1e.D&amp;D has modeled one thing really well and that's D&amp;D fantasy.&nbsp; D&amp;D fantasy is not generic fantasy.&nbsp; Witness the huge body of work to dovetail D20 rules into various genres.&nbsp; If D20 was generic, then it wouldn't need to be massively rewritten to do something as basic as Conan.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 4165313, member: 22779"] Granted, when I said Basic and Expert rules I was referring the Mentzer which most certainly was loaded with campaign setting. Heck, a fair chunk of the Expert rules details what would later become Mystara. But, 1e was a blank slate? Really? Your 1e books didn't have racial relation charts? That's just to name one example. It's been a while since I actually cracked open those books, but, everyone who's a fan of 1e tells me how much setting is actually detailed within those pages. When I disagreed, I got quoted chapter and verse. So, I'm thinking that you're right out to lunch here. The entire Artifacts section is nothing but Greyhawk lore. A large number of the monsters are Greyhawk specific. The races are modeled after Greyhawk - down to specific subraces (Grey Elves anyone? Never mind the Drow). The list is long of setting specific material there is in the core rules of 1e. D&D has modeled one thing really well and that's D&D fantasy. D&D fantasy is not generic fantasy. Witness the huge body of work to dovetail D20 rules into various genres. If D20 was generic, then it wouldn't need to be massively rewritten to do something as basic as Conan. [/QUOTE]

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