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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 1111840" data-attributes="member: 1194">jdavis - good points, but I'd caution against going too far with it - It seems like you're pre-judging the case, the other way: you can't say they lifted "every plot point", because we've only read a sub-set of the plot points that happen to all be lifted from WW's material.As for others: I can't believe that an intelligent fan of gaming and movies would look at that list, and go "eh - WW copied it all in the first place" or "there's nothing particularly there". I'd like to get some time to copy-paste some choice entries from the list (WITH SPOLIERS).Basically, there are MANY dead-on copies and it's not even close to coincidental, or same-genre stuff.Just one, for example - a childe pining for her Sire, who happens to be in something like "torpor"... IS NOT A COINCIDENCE. That is a blatant rip-off. It's never been done in movies before, and is not a hallmark of any material other than WW. And that's just one example. Anyone not seeing the ripoffs is actively trying not to for some personal reason or another.About the WW "copying everything" issue:Give me a break, and drop your prejudice against WW when posting about this, please.Unfortunately, I haven't seen the obscure 70's movies you mentioned (I seriously doubt Captain Kronon and Vampire Hunter had clans recognizable as V:tM clans. I just don't believe it without more than anecdotal evidence, sorry), nor have I seen or heard of the obscure RPG reference to Chill. However, after a google search, the FAQ is here : <a href="http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/wilhelm/148/chfaq.html" target="_blank">http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/wilhelm/148/chfaq.html</a> and it doesn't look similar at all. Chill is about a secret group of hunters going after supernatural (demonic) beasts.That's not all WoD brought to the genre, please.I also searched for any site that talked about V:tM copying from Chill, but couldn't find anyplace on the internet that suggested a connection at all.But I thank you 2 for trying to find influences on WW in creating WoD.But just because something's been somewhere before, doesn't mean WW stole WoD from anyone. They might have used some elements from classic literature, etc, but what they created went far beyond just using "werewolves vs vampires".  (<--edited)And it's this World they made that was lifted, point after point, by Underworld. But it's worse - even the character relationships, conflicts, motivations, and actions were apparently copied, as well. Or at least it strongly appears that is the case.But I'm reserving my final judgement until I see the movie myself.That's a good point about the Carrie Anne Moss ripoff.I thought she looked more like that girl from the Birds of Prey series, myself.</blockquote>

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