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<blockquote data-quote="mwiedmann" data-source="post: 5102813" data-attributes="member: 87935"><p>I had a cool situation today. While looking to rescue some slaves, the party barged in on some Legion Devil minions who were apparently looking to have their way with a few slave women. I described the scene as the women were sort of laying on the floor in tattered clothes looking a little roughed up while the devils drooled over them. The party was just in time. There were a few other monsters in the room as well. Ok..enough setup.</p><p> </p><p>The Cleric immediately dropped Moment of Glory on one of the devils (really just to get the resist 5 damage):</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><p style="text-align: left">Target: Each enemy in blast</p></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Attack: W i s d om vs. W i l l</p></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Hit: You push the target 3 squares and knock it prone.</p></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Effect: You and each ally in the blast gain resist 5 to all</p><p>damage until t he end of your next turn.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Sustain effect with a Minor Action.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span> </p><p>Here is the twist (and first debate). The women were not slaves. They were in fact a pair of Succubui using their polymorph ability to appear to be slaves. Since the players did not know this, the Cleric demanded that the resist 5 damage apply to the "women" as well. I of course happily agreed to this. Once the first succubus showed who she really was, there was a small debate as to whether or not they were truly an "ally" of the party when the spell was cast and should they have the resist 5 damage. Everyone agreed the resist 5 should stay and we moved on.</p><p> </p><p>Next debate - A round or two later, a succubus dominates the Cleric and forces him to use his at-will power Astral Seal on the party's Goliath:</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><p style="text-align: left">Standard A c t i o n Ranged 5</p></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Target: O n e creature</p></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Attack: W i s d om +2 vs. Reflex</p></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Hit: Until the end of your next turn, the target takes a -2</p></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px">penalty to all defenses. T h e next ally w h o hits it before</p></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px">the end of your next turn regains hit points equal t o </p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">2 +</span></span></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px">your Charisma modifier.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span> </p><p>The Goliath gets hit and I state that the next monster to hit the Goliath would regain hit points as stated in the spell text. Of course this sparked another debate about who is the Cleric's "ally" when he casts the spell. This one I can see both sides because the Cleric is dominated and is acting against his will. He may be somehwat aware that he is attacking the Goliath and therefore his "allies" would still be the party. I of course ruled that the monsters could get the hit points.</p><p> </p><p>What do you think about these 2 situations?</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"> </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mwiedmann, post: 5102813, member: 87935"] I had a cool situation today. While looking to rescue some slaves, the party barged in on some Legion Devil minions who were apparently looking to have their way with a few slave women. I described the scene as the women were sort of laying on the floor in tattered clothes looking a little roughed up while the devils drooled over them. The party was just in time. There were a few other monsters in the room as well. Ok..enough setup. The Cleric immediately dropped Moment of Glory on one of the devils (really just to get the resist 5 damage): [FONT=Arial][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial][SIZE=1][LEFT]Target: Each enemy in blast Attack: W i s d om vs. W i l l Hit: You push the target 3 squares and knock it prone. Effect: You and each ally in the blast gain resist 5 to all[/LEFT] damage until t he end of your next turn. Sustain effect with a Minor Action. [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] Here is the twist (and first debate). The women were not slaves. They were in fact a pair of Succubui using their polymorph ability to appear to be slaves. Since the players did not know this, the Cleric demanded that the resist 5 damage apply to the "women" as well. I of course happily agreed to this. Once the first succubus showed who she really was, there was a small debate as to whether or not they were truly an "ally" of the party when the spell was cast and should they have the resist 5 damage. Everyone agreed the resist 5 should stay and we moved on. Next debate - A round or two later, a succubus dominates the Cleric and forces him to use his at-will power Astral Seal on the party's Goliath: [FONT=Arial][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial][SIZE=1][LEFT]Standard A c t i o n Ranged 5 Target: O n e creature Attack: W i s d om +2 vs. Reflex Hit: Until the end of your next turn, the target takes a -2 penalty to all defenses. T h e next ally w h o hits it before the end of your next turn regains hit points equal t o [/LEFT][/SIZE][LEFT][/left][/FONT][LEFT][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][/left][/FONT][LEFT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]2 +[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/LEFT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1] [/size][/font][/size][/font][/I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial][SIZE=1]your Charisma modifier. [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] The Goliath gets hit and I state that the next monster to hit the Goliath would regain hit points as stated in the spell text. Of course this sparked another debate about who is the Cleric's "ally" when he casts the spell. This one I can see both sides because the Cleric is dominated and is acting against his will. He may be somehwat aware that he is attacking the Goliath and therefore his "allies" would still be the party. I of course ruled that the monsters could get the hit points. What do you think about these 2 situations? [FONT=Arial][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial][SIZE=1] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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