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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 2516138" data-attributes="member: 8158">The existence of similarities takes all those blanket statements filled with all those "nevers" and "nothings" out of the tautological context you were trying to put them in. You went out of your way to be so utterly contrary, telling me how I'm "way OFF BASE" and that "D&D is NOWHERE NEAR a video game" and based it on nothing more than an abstract concept like verisimilutude, speaking of it like it was some vast, monumental, tangible barrier between RPG and MMOG. Commitment to role-playing is pretty inconsistent from group to group--and in some groups, there is no commitment. Some folks play D&D with the same outlook they would a MMOG. I will tell you that the emphasis on verisimilitude is not a sacred concept as presented by the PHB, and it is not unversally considered sacred by players. It is something sacred to individuals, and a new player will only pick it up from interacting with them, not from the books. Maybe you're not talking about D&D as presented by the folks writing the books, but I was.I'm saying D&D is becoming more like a MMOG with every iteration. So, is raising the dead more routine and prescribed now, or less? Is a 9th-level cleric from OD&D the equivalent of a 9th-level cleric in 3e?No, spending a little time to eliminate XP debt or what-have-you is a transitory consequence. And in most modern MMOG's, it's not even a matter of hours. A character dying ahd staying dead is long-term. Let's look at how a couple of other long-term effects are handled. Consider a character afflicted with a terrible curse or a debilitating disease. In a literary context, it would be a story element; the character would have to struggle to cope with it. In a video game it would simply be a negative effect ("debuff") to be removed with the expenditure of a resource. Going strictly by the book, which most closely resembles the way curses and diseases are handled in D&D? Who decides what's boring? Would the LotR trilogy have been more interesting if the fellowship just went "poof" to Sauron's doorstep? I don't think so. It's those savory moments between points A and B that allow characters to develop and allow tension to build. They make for a good novel, and for a good RP experience, and the official attitude is that they should be gone for the sake of expediency. Forget daring the high seas, just get the cleric to cast Wind Walk so you can jet where you want to go as 600mph intangible vapors. Forget having to figure things out and look for clues, just cast a spell to get the info you need and move things along to the next fight scene. If a person needs to go into very specific details to explain something to you, don't be so quick to lay all of the blame at their feet because you refuse to see their point of view.</blockquote>

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