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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 2522036" data-attributes="member: 463">For a late-medieval style setting where states & monarchs are as powerful as you assume, I agree with you - IMC all the wizards, of whom there are several hundred in a population of ca 15 million, are members of wizardly orders, and the main order is pretty much controlled by the king.  In a more Tolkienesque early-feudal setting though, the king simply _does not have the power_ to exert this kind of control.NB re 'early feudal' I am talking about societal organisation; Tolkien had 14th century technology with 8th century social structures.  The modern trend in D&D is away from this towards something more like the 16th century sans gunpowder, with powerful cities & states.  The more 16th century the setting, the more the State will amass magical & other power to itself and prevent its free use by others.   I think we basically agree on this.</blockquote>