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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wraith-Hunter" data-source="post: 3324408" data-attributes="member: 48298">Just a little rant. Clerics kind of bug me. I never had a problem with them in 2e. Someone always wanted to play them in the groups I was in, though I was never really interested. But in 3.x I just don't like them. They get to cast in armor (though I have always though AFC was dumb) Get all the armor feats, get a decent BaB, full caster progression. Good spells for anything other than pure blasting, special abilities, etc. All in an effort to get people to play them. So that the party can have a walking bandaid. This bugs me.What really bugs me are the people who play one not because they want to play a divine character but people looking for a power up. The real problem really is healing spells are divine only. Oh you can be a bard and heal but who wants to play a bard they suck  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> (just a joke Bard lovers). But really the problem seems to be healing magic. D&D has the sacred cow that you have to have a cleric in the party so you can get healed and wizards are too powerfull at high levels. Even with the nerfs they are very powerfull and should be.But the problem seems to be the healing factor. If the healing domain was opened up to all caster classes as universal, then there would be much less of a need for a cleric in the party, though still very welcome addition especially where undead are concerned. Nearly all the nonD&D specific fantasy I have read has wizard types capable of healing. From a game balance perspective this would make sorcerers a but more desired due to the spontaneous casting and dilute the power of a wizard in a party if he has to help heal. I know it will NEVER happen in D&D so this is just an impotent rant. I just felt like getting it off my chest. I think I will have to stay off character optimination boards for awhile. Anyone else not like clerics? Or maybe better to say like how the class is in 3e?</blockquote>

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