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<blockquote data-quote="Harm" data-source="post: 3326110" data-attributes="member: 49173">A 9th level mage will hit the party for 54 damage with a maxed fireball or flamestrike or what have you.&nbsp; Thats over 200 damage to the party.&nbsp; A CR 11 dragon can do over 50 damage to one target easily.&nbsp; Neither of those are &quot;things that you shouldn't be fighting&quot; by 10th-12th level.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; By 15th level d10/d12 PCs are breaking 200 HP and by 20th they're pushing 300.&nbsp; More importantly clerics at 15 can do roughly 10 level 6+ spells/day.&nbsp; So NOT EVEN COUNTING metamagic or 1-5th level spells a CR appropriate combat should burn about 2 heals (20%) at level 15, i.e. the party will suffer about 300 damage.&nbsp; 300 damage is enough to kill 2 party members.&nbsp; So... either you have an effective healer, or you're fighting monsters well below the appropriate CR, or your DM is gimping monsters, or people are dying every combat.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Harm, post: 3326110, member: 49173"] A 9th level mage will hit the party for 54 damage with a maxed fireball or flamestrike or what have you. Thats over 200 damage to the party. A CR 11 dragon can do over 50 damage to one target easily. Neither of those are "things that you shouldn't be fighting" by 10th-12th level. By 15th level d10/d12 PCs are breaking 200 HP and by 20th they're pushing 300. More importantly clerics at 15 can do roughly 10 level 6+ spells/day. So NOT EVEN COUNTING metamagic or 1-5th level spells a CR appropriate combat should burn about 2 heals (20%) at level 15, i.e. the party will suffer about 300 damage. 300 damage is enough to kill 2 party members. So... either you have an effective healer, or you're fighting monsters well below the appropriate CR, or your DM is gimping monsters, or people are dying every combat. [/QUOTE]

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