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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 3352038" data-attributes="member: 463">I haven't number-crunched the monk, but the barbarian is terribly lame, yup.  Primal Fury is ridiculously weak, it's not usable as written.  I'd have preferred a more 1e style barbarian than this 3e-derived version.Your revision suggestions sound like what you'd get if you put Moldvay/Cook B/X D&D into 1 book (which would only take about 80 pages at C&C font size) then expanded it to C&C size.  It sounds like a dream product to me.  The C&C PHB could lose some of the 'guff' wording without harm; actually it could lose the level 7+ spells which only seem there for nostalgia, the whole game is pretty clearly designed around 1-12 level range (except for the M&T dragon stats).  You could get what's in the current PHB down to 64 pages, then add in 64 pages of monsters, treasure, encounter tables and GM advice.Voila - the perfect game.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>