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<blockquote data-quote="justanobody" data-source="post: 4532988" data-attributes="member: 70778">However those mentalists of old added with new world philosophy on the mater would need to be combined in order to make a viable class for the game, otherwise, how would those mentalists of old really be able to have a power useable to combat?It would basically be a damage-fre status slinging class, or need to be the ki-based monk.Again the problems of the psionicist are numerous to get it to fit and work well.I never had the misfortune of seeing them in 3rd.It can be done in a way in 4th because there is little flavor or deviation between the classes with the power system, but getting it to fit in peoples worlds and minds is where the biggest problems will remain.As always, just because it exists and is even considered &quot;core&quot; doesn't mean that there is a place for it in the norm of the game.Right now someone would be laughed at to ask to play a tiefling or dragonbron around me with 4th. They take demihumans too far. But I prefer an all human-party as well, so I may a be a bit off in what I like form the norm, but that little bit of being off is what can break a game apart. I am not totally alone in not liking dragonborn, psionics or other. It is the way it will be presented that just needs to make sure a DM can still say no to it.One of the problems behind the presentation of 4th some of us have. A part of the DM job and enjoyment that shouldn't be taken away is the ability to design his/her world in a specific way.So as not to have full plate armor abundant and air conditioned on Athas as it were. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="justanobody, post: 4532988, member: 70778"] However those mentalists of old added with new world philosophy on the mater would need to be combined in order to make a viable class for the game, otherwise, how would those mentalists of old really be able to have a power useable to combat? It would basically be a damage-fre status slinging class, or need to be the ki-based monk. Again the problems of the psionicist are numerous to get it to fit and work well. I never had the misfortune of seeing them in 3rd. It can be done in a way in 4th because there is little flavor or deviation between the classes with the power system, but getting it to fit in peoples worlds and minds is where the biggest problems will remain. As always, just because it exists and is even considered "core" doesn't mean that there is a place for it in the norm of the game. Right now someone would be laughed at to ask to play a tiefling or dragonbron around me with 4th. They take demihumans too far. But I prefer an all human-party as well, so I may a be a bit off in what I like form the norm, but that little bit of being off is what can break a game apart. I am not totally alone in not liking dragonborn, psionics or other. It is the way it will be presented that just needs to make sure a DM can still say no to it. One of the problems behind the presentation of 4th some of us have. A part of the DM job and enjoyment that shouldn't be taken away is the ability to design his/her world in a specific way. So as not to have full plate armor abundant and air conditioned on Athas as it were. ;) [/QUOTE]

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