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<blockquote data-quote="carnanick" data-source="post: 3110782" data-attributes="member: 45878"><p>The other day my players were very very very angry at me...And as DM I almost killed them(not in game, I mean for real). Anyhow I'm curious as to what would be your approach to this situation.</p><p>-plot-</p><p>Party of lv. 7 characters are attacking a temple dojo run by Monks of the Long Death. </p><p>There are two guards. The party's mage type, goes invisible, and blasts the guards with a fireball, the others open fire with missle weapons. One guard survives the fire ball (monk-evasion) and attacks the party's monk. The monk is killed, but he raised the alarm, even taking an entire round to do so.</p><p>-The party is fireballed by a invisible yun-ti sorceror who is on top of the temple, reacting to the alarm. The temple Lao-Shi type raises the wall of force on the temple door , and asks the party to state the purpose of their incursion. The party opens missile fire, deflected by wall of force. The mage attacks the sorceror with scorching ray. The party has been comfortable with their distence from said temple. Thus they were making their attacks with no range modifier. Thus they were only 30 ft. away.</p><p>-The party decides to speak with the Temple Leader. SHe challenges their mage to a wizards duel with her Yun-Ti, and asks the Barabarian to single combat. Party refuses saying it is UNFAIR because if they lose either combat she will have the party killed.</p><p>-Ok sorry for the long story: now the Mage says I back up out of fire ball range and guesture for the party to do like wise. I say you mean "formation" he says Yeah. I seperate all party members by 40 ft. Some how I let him get away with this. </p><p>-Ok then he says we run away. I say, "you will all die". </p><p>He says why? we are all out of fire ball range. </p><p>I say You can't back up 400 feet without being noticed by two alert characters. You'd be fire balled while running.</p><p>He says I said we got out of fire ball range.</p><p>I replied he's a level 8 sorceror. His fire ball is over 600' range.</p><p>Party mage replies, I forgot. I want the party to be far away. You lied to us, </p><p>I say if the party makes missle fire with no negative modifiers I assume you are within ranger to use those weapons. THe range on an axe is 30 ft. I said the monk charged you from 40 ft. You were all ok with that.</p><p>-Suffice It to say, we all ended up fighting, and I felt it was outrageous behavior on the part of the party. Not to mention Fire ball is a level dependent range spell anyway. So in addition to meta-gaming, they were screaming at me for not telling them how the rules worked?</p><p>-Was I wrong? I mean I did lose my cool and yell back, but really? I game under the impression that the party is responsible for their actions not me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="carnanick, post: 3110782, member: 45878"] The other day my players were very very very angry at me...And as DM I almost killed them(not in game, I mean for real). Anyhow I'm curious as to what would be your approach to this situation. -plot- Party of lv. 7 characters are attacking a temple dojo run by Monks of the Long Death. There are two guards. The party's mage type, goes invisible, and blasts the guards with a fireball, the others open fire with missle weapons. One guard survives the fire ball (monk-evasion) and attacks the party's monk. The monk is killed, but he raised the alarm, even taking an entire round to do so. -The party is fireballed by a invisible yun-ti sorceror who is on top of the temple, reacting to the alarm. The temple Lao-Shi type raises the wall of force on the temple door , and asks the party to state the purpose of their incursion. The party opens missile fire, deflected by wall of force. The mage attacks the sorceror with scorching ray. The party has been comfortable with their distence from said temple. Thus they were making their attacks with no range modifier. Thus they were only 30 ft. away. -The party decides to speak with the Temple Leader. SHe challenges their mage to a wizards duel with her Yun-Ti, and asks the Barabarian to single combat. Party refuses saying it is UNFAIR because if they lose either combat she will have the party killed. -Ok sorry for the long story: now the Mage says I back up out of fire ball range and guesture for the party to do like wise. I say you mean "formation" he says Yeah. I seperate all party members by 40 ft. Some how I let him get away with this. -Ok then he says we run away. I say, "you will all die". He says why? we are all out of fire ball range. I say You can't back up 400 feet without being noticed by two alert characters. You'd be fire balled while running. He says I said we got out of fire ball range. I replied he's a level 8 sorceror. His fire ball is over 600' range. Party mage replies, I forgot. I want the party to be far away. You lied to us, I say if the party makes missle fire with no negative modifiers I assume you are within ranger to use those weapons. THe range on an axe is 30 ft. I said the monk charged you from 40 ft. You were all ok with that. -Suffice It to say, we all ended up fighting, and I felt it was outrageous behavior on the part of the party. Not to mention Fire ball is a level dependent range spell anyway. So in addition to meta-gaming, they were screaming at me for not telling them how the rules worked? -Was I wrong? I mean I did lose my cool and yell back, but really? I game under the impression that the party is responsible for their actions not me. [/QUOTE]
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