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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 9762126" data-attributes="member: 4348">Personally, I'd say a LOT of people in the thread.  However, because they are pro-WotC no matter what WotC puts out, it's not really seen that way on these forums.I'm okay with it.  At least I've expressed my thoughts on the box (and no one here has really changed my feelings on it.  There's been about two posts that actually sort of addressed my concerns, but they didn't actually cover WHY the problem happened in the first place except to blame everything but the box.  All my players, me, anything but WotC is to be blamed. That said, I think I may be the ONLY one here that let new players actually just try to figure things out on their own without an experienced player to guide them...I haven't seen anyone else replicate that experience thus far...except to say that my players must be bad people or something to that degree since they didn't figure out what was "obvious" to the experienced players here.That even I found difficulties (The Saving throw thing is an excellent example, it tells you the wrong location of where to find the information, it is not actually listed under Saving Throws or where you'd expect to find it...etc) and no one has really addressed that except to...well...no one has actually really addressed that problem (one person pointed out it could be found in one sentence in a section unrelated to it and which was not even referenced under Saving Throws in the glossary or defined section) of misdirection in the rules and not being clear.So, yes, I feel a LOT of people here have said our group was badwrongfunning and I'm happy none of those players I had are on these forums because they'd probably be heavily insulted and if they DID have fun, after reading the comments in these thread may decide it's just not worth it.That said, it's not something that truly bothers me all that much.  I just wanted to make sure that if people are looking into this, they are forwarned that this box is NOT going to be as straightforward or as simple as many of those reviews out there are saying it is.  I think I made that clear and abundant, and others have made their opinions that they do not agree with me.  That's a good thing.  To have a difference of opinions where each can read the differences makes for a better view than just one side (and up until my singular post I think only one side has been expressed thus far, that of experienced players rather than someone who had total newbies unfamiliar with D&D try to figure it out on their own out of the box without the experienced player helping them at first.  I've done this same thing with other introductory sets in the past as well, so this isn't my first time doing this.  It IS the first time it turned out so badly though).A Starter box should be that.  A thing where you can sit down and basically start playing off the bat pretty quickly.  This box is not that.  If a Starter Box is not a Starter box...what then is it's purpose.</blockquote>

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