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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FitzTheRuke" data-source="post: 9762343" data-attributes="member: 59816">They definitely aren't saying that.They have, though!That's not where I'd expect to find it. That's where I'd expect the rules around it to be. I'd expect the specific-to-each-character Save DC to be found on the Character Sheet, where it can clearly be seen. I suppose that your concern is how it says that the DC can be found "on the Spell Cards" when it is referring, not to the DC, but to the Ability in question? I think it is also meant to say "Under the Spell Cards" - because if you read the Read Me First, it pretty clearly tells you where to place the cards, and the Spell DC is in a big red box under where you are supposed to place your spell cards. It shouldn't be hard to spot.I get that you didn't spot it, but... I'm not sure you should be blaming the product. I would say "Whoops!" and move on.I played with a lot of new players, just like you did. We didn't have any of those problems. I played with four different groups. Yes, I am experienced at doing this, but I didn't have to hold their hands for everything. I have the impression that it's a GREAT version of what it is. And I'm no WotC-shill! I've had the misfortune of being in business with them for almost as long as they've existed! They seriously grate on me. That goes twice for Hasbro. I just think that they did a good job here.I'm sorry you had such a bad experience, but honestly, if you'd left the (forgivable) hyperbole out of the title and the OP, and were a little more open to some culpability, it would be easier to take your side.I think we have. I just don't agree with you. I think it's the best product ever made for New Players. I don't think it's close to perfect, though! You should see what I think of most Starters. For example, I think that the Phandelver-Essentials-Stormwreck Starters get progressively worse. Phandelver was really good. The others kept dropping down, so I'm glad to see them climb back up.Seemed pretty clear to me in the Read Me First. Nice big picture. Also lots of words.It does in the read me first, and all over the character boards. It has pictures.I'm not sure what you expect "real instruction" to look like. I've seen BAD rulebooks for board games. This one was fine.You made mistakes. Is that blame? I don't "blame" you for making mistakes (it happens), but you've made mistakes. You seem really reluctant to own them.I'm not sure how much guidance would be needed. I didn't meet anyone on the weekend that had trouble grasping it, or if they did, it became obvious to them fast enough. It wasn't always me who instructed them, either. I admit that I never sat down a whole group of noobs and said "figure it out!" to see what would happen, but there was back-and-forth from everyone involved. Including the new people helping other new people when there were questions that the first new person had grasped the answer to.That's great! I think that pregens are the best, but I think that most D&D character sheets are TERRIBLE. These sort-of split the difference. I still think that there is a better solution, and even a better version of these could be designed (I have ideas) but... they're pretty good! Best we've see, at least.I think that this one is. Obviously, there's still room for improvement.</blockquote>

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