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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FitzTheRuke" data-source="post: 9762706" data-attributes="member: 59816">Yeah, I understand what you mean, but I whole-heartedly disagree with you. I get that you had a bad experience, and maybe you're right that FOR YOU (and your group) it would have been a better idea, but for most people (I've taught a LOT of people to play D&D) this Starter is the best thing that they've invented so far to do that job. The PHB is terrible for that job. As you've said yourself, and I agree, making characters as a first step, is a terrible way to learn to play D&D! (This Set doesn't really do that - it lets you make all the biggest choices: Class, Background, Species, and equipment to a lesser extent, but it's QUICK and barely more work than picking your Pregen, and slightly more meaningful.)IMO, That's just weird. I'm sure you believe that, but I have no idea how it could be true. It takes far, far longer to fill out a character sheet than it does to dig out a few cards!I get it, but you really, really dug in to a lot of over-the-top declarations. I get it, I actually do. I mind hyperbole far less than many folks here do (I'd use it more myself if it didn't lead to arguments). It takes hours and hours to just to read anything meaningful in the PHB.Searching through cards is WAY faster than writing things down! They're in Alphabetical Order when you open the box! In one of my games, I had SEVEN PLAYERS and I handed them all their cards in a couple of minutes, with them reading off to me what they needed! A few were missed, but we fixed that quickly.I believe you, but I shake my head. I just 100% don't see the problems you see.Don't get me wrong. I really like the 2024 PHB. I think it's got a great layout and is easy to use. It's not for new players, though!PHB is really only good for one player at a time. Starter Set is good for five. Four and the DM. Plus it has an Adventure. It's WAY better for a group looking to try D&D. I honestly don't think that very many people could play D&D by starting with a PHB. For one, they'd need a DM who has an Adventure (or at least one in mind!) Honestly, IMO, the PHB is only really good for making characters, and that (again IMO) has very little to do with PLAYING. It's a nice part of the game, don't get me wrong, but it's not Playing The Game. Yes, of course, the rules are in there too, but you're much better off playing before you read the rules!</blockquote>

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