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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9342938" data-attributes="member: 6801845"><p>Everything that follows is quite ... an opinion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So they're ignoring their new fans, how exactly? Last time I checked they just did the biggest playtest/survey ever done for a TTRPG. The number of old D&D players is dwarfed by the number of people that started playing D&D with 5E (which had the biggest playtest/survey until the current one).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>CR is still doing D&D for campaign 3 we don't know what they'll do for season 4. For CR it's just another commercial avenue for them and doesn't necessarily reflect on the game. After all they started as a home game 1 shot in D&D 4E, switched to PathFinder for a home game and then 5E for their stream.</p><p></p><p>As far as CR season 4, who knows. I haven't watched any of season 3, from what I've read their viewership is down quite a bit but that it has more to do with the characters and story than anything. After all, it's not like CR focuses that much on rule details. It's appeal is more that it shows people having fun playing a TTRPG, I'm not sure it matters all that much which ruleset it uses.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The vast, vast majority of people that play D&D don't care about the OGL kerfuffle any more. But good to know you're the premiere expert on their surveys and playtest and details of how they're doing their analysis beyond the dumbed down quick take we get from podcasts. I assume you have actual background and expertise in this are to make such bold claims? Presumably you also have insider info on exactly what they're looking at? No?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right. The best selling TTRPG ever is a pile of crap and all the people I've played with that have enjoyed the game over the past decade are just ignorant sheep. Or is it just that actually having fun playing the game is a meaningless measure of it's design success? Because that is indeed a unique take on the goals of a game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, there's a lot of naysayers online. People, like me, who will tell you that it's a good game get tired of being told their wrong by the vocal minority. Meanwhile the people I've played with (a few dozen in just the past year) are all still enthusiastic about the game. </p><p></p><p>In general people who are happy with what they have don't shout it from the rooftops, they just happily play. Meanwhile the people who feel left out or have different preferences like to complain. Loudly and repeatedly.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What, we should listen to the 4E fanboys instead? Because that edition was so successful? People who played 3E are a tiny fraction of the total player base now. I happen to be one of the few people who played 3E, but I'm not stuck on that edition. I happen to prefer 5E and acknowledge that things can and should continue to evolve.</p><p></p><p>It's one thing to say that you don't personally care for 5E. No game can be for everyone. But this continued insistence that it's a poorly designed game and that the people writing the rules don't know what they're doing gets old. You don't get the kind of growth 5E has seen unless tons of new people join the hobby and enjoy playing the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9342938, member: 6801845"] Everything that follows is quite ... an opinion. So they're ignoring their new fans, how exactly? Last time I checked they just did the biggest playtest/survey ever done for a TTRPG. The number of old D&D players is dwarfed by the number of people that started playing D&D with 5E (which had the biggest playtest/survey until the current one). CR is still doing D&D for campaign 3 we don't know what they'll do for season 4. For CR it's just another commercial avenue for them and doesn't necessarily reflect on the game. After all they started as a home game 1 shot in D&D 4E, switched to PathFinder for a home game and then 5E for their stream. As far as CR season 4, who knows. I haven't watched any of season 3, from what I've read their viewership is down quite a bit but that it has more to do with the characters and story than anything. After all, it's not like CR focuses that much on rule details. It's appeal is more that it shows people having fun playing a TTRPG, I'm not sure it matters all that much which ruleset it uses. The vast, vast majority of people that play D&D don't care about the OGL kerfuffle any more. But good to know you're the premiere expert on their surveys and playtest and details of how they're doing their analysis beyond the dumbed down quick take we get from podcasts. I assume you have actual background and expertise in this are to make such bold claims? Presumably you also have insider info on exactly what they're looking at? No? Right. The best selling TTRPG ever is a pile of crap and all the people I've played with that have enjoyed the game over the past decade are just ignorant sheep. Or is it just that actually having fun playing the game is a meaningless measure of it's design success? Because that is indeed a unique take on the goals of a game. Yeah, there's a lot of naysayers online. People, like me, who will tell you that it's a good game get tired of being told their wrong by the vocal minority. Meanwhile the people I've played with (a few dozen in just the past year) are all still enthusiastic about the game. In general people who are happy with what they have don't shout it from the rooftops, they just happily play. Meanwhile the people who feel left out or have different preferences like to complain. Loudly and repeatedly. What, we should listen to the 4E fanboys instead? Because that edition was so successful? People who played 3E are a tiny fraction of the total player base now. I happen to be one of the few people who played 3E, but I'm not stuck on that edition. I happen to prefer 5E and acknowledge that things can and should continue to evolve. It's one thing to say that you don't personally care for 5E. No game can be for everyone. But this continued insistence that it's a poorly designed game and that the people writing the rules don't know what they're doing gets old. You don't get the kind of growth 5E has seen unless tons of new people join the hobby and enjoy playing the game. [/QUOTE]
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