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Message: <blockquote data-quote="F5" data-source="post: 1173604" data-attributes="member: 4607">If the meeting is set up in the middle of the plains, you have to assume that there aren't many hiding places.  The Red Wizards will be using magic to hide, obviously, so they will probably have scouts looking out for the party, so they can fire off invisibility spells, etc, when they are getting close.  The Swords will be using stealth and skill to hide, but I don't see how they could approach the ambush site in the middle of an open plain without being seen by the wizards.  If the Red Wizards see the Golden Swords before they can react, the Swords are toast.  Assuming the Swords are using some degree of stealth as they travel, I'd say to make a spot check for the Wizards.  If they make it, they will lay some serious hurt on the Swords in the first round.  If the swords can get in close somehow before the wizards notice them, then it's more evenly matched.  Make the roll privately, and see which scenario the players are going to walk into.Last question:  how are the players traveling?  Are they on horseback, or do they plan on just teleporting in?  Keeping in mind that things like lightning bolts and Ice Storms are visible a long way off on open plains, they might have some forewarning of what's going down at the meeting site, if they're withing sight of it when the ruckus starts.</blockquote>