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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4411623" data-attributes="member: 19675">Again, no, no NO.I said its an issue of wasteful overpackaging, not deception.  It seems like an awful lot of box for so little.No, they're the same product (gaming dice & bags) marketed to 2 different subsections of the same market- experienced players of rpgs vs inexperience players of rpgs.Re: Plastic vs Paper products.I didn't say they were a space-saver, exactly, nor am I "greenwashing."I said they're reusable and let you see what you're buying.  I could fit a typical dice bag and a set of dice in a standard card container (such as the one's you'd get from PKK and use for your M:tG cards) and you'd be able to see the dice, have 2 reusable containers, and only a bit of shrink wrap and a label as trash.Like this one:<a href="http://www.tcbulk.com/scripts/prodview.asp?idproduct=119" target="_blank">http://www.tcbulk.com/scripts/prodview.asp?idproduct=119</a>And production of paper in various forms- including cardboard- is no less polluting than plastics.  Pre-recycling processes being used, paper products comprise 35% of a typical landfill ("Executive Summary: Municipal Solid Waste in the United States: 2005 Facts and Figures". US Environmental Protection Agency (2005)). Even recycling paper causes pollution due to de-inking and other processes.  Other pollutants from paper processing (even recycling) include- atmospheric emissions of hydrogen sulfide, methyl mercaptan, dimethyl sulfide, dimethyl disulfide, and other volatile sulfur compounds are the cause of the odor characteristic of pulp mills utilizing the kraft process; chemicals that are released into the air and water from most paper mills include carbon monoxide, ammonia, nitrogen oxide, mercury, nitrates, methanol, benzene, volatile organic compounds and chloroform.There are also dioxins and either chlorine and its byproducts.Paper mills are among the biggest polluters in Texas, South Carolina, Louisiana, Alabama and Florida- right up there with the chemical industries (including petrochemical companies).Essentially, its nearly a wash between the two industries, pollution-wise.  Recycling is good, but anything you can actually reuse or repurpose (like a plastic box) gets you additional points in the battle of two evils.And if you still don't like clear plastic, you could do the same in a reusable, lidded tin or steel can, such as those used for cookies, candies, cakes, mints or even minis (like Vessel Miniature Cases)- complete all of the same kind of art on the box...possibly even embossed and/or with a window.Going that route, the boxes themselves could have been produced with a variety of art and been collectible in and of themselves*, possibly even personalized to match the cover art.* Storage "tins" of all kinds are their own collectibles market already- it wouldn't just be the gamers buying them.  You might have eventualy been able to resell the tins at a later date, partially or completely recouping the cost of your set of dice with bag.</blockquote>

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