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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 2789653" data-attributes="member: 5171">Have used it as written and liked it.It's not just Improved Brawl.  It's Improved Brawl, Streetfighting, and Power Attack. You get those -- all of which are Tough Hero bonus feats and all of which except Streetfighting are Strong Hero bonus feats -- and you're golden.The Tough Hero at 4th level, with his two bonus feats and two normal levelling feats, could be doing 1d8+1d4+Power Attack +Strength, and be getting a +2 to hit in the process.  A Strong Hero at 4th level, with his two bonus feats and only one levelling feat, could be doing 1d8+Power Attack+Strength+Improved Melee Smash, also with a +2 to hit.  And if you've got a feat slot free, give him Streetfighting as well, and you're doing, what, 1d8+1d4+2 (Melee Smash) +2 (Assume a 14 or 15 strength, not even forcing a 16) + Power Attack damage, and average of 11 plus whatever you're power attacking with.  The Tough guy does a bit less damage, since he doesn't have Melee Smash, but he's got more hit points and some nice stay-alive talents to make up for it.For me, the Power Attack is the key.  That's what (I think) the rationale for giving you the bonuus to unarmed attacks is for -- it's assuming that you'll be Power Attacking to get your damage up there high enough to force a massive damage check.And what I think some people forget is that you're not SUPPOSED to force a save every time you hit, even with a character focused on that.  If you even force the save, you automatically make them lose their next turn, which is just a killer in d20 Modern fights.  If you can make somebody lose their turn one round out of three, you are seriously debilitating them, even if they keep making that save.  I don't think of it as "Chance to get a knockout, assuming I hit, I roll well on damage, and they fail their save."  I think of it as "Chance to make them lose a turn, assuming I hit and roll well -- and I could one-shot them right out of the fight."  In my mind, that's a significantly better way of thinking about it.I've heard (but am not saying this is widespread) that some people think that the automatic-daze feature is too strong, and don't use that rule... and then complain that non-accruing damage is weak.</blockquote>

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