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<blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 3028813" data-attributes="member: 7240">I understood what you said Ken. I don't see how you have addressed my point at all.My point is this: it debases a perception skill's value when you allow people to discover the identical information without having to make the skill check at the required DC. What value is it for the rogue to have a high Gather Information skill if the DM is going to award the information to everyone anyway, regardless of whether they even have ranks in the skill?I have a DM like this. He gets us to roll Spot checks very frequently; he also has a tendency to railroad people and this railroading typically requires that the party discover certain things. His railroading also means that people cannot notice things in advance of when he wants them to -- he decides we are going to be ambushed and it doesn't matter if the party makes Spot and Listen checks of 35, the result is the same as if we had rolled 5s. As a result, nobody in this guy's group ever invests a single rank in Spot or Listen because the skills are debased to the point of being completely valueless.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="fusangite, post: 3028813, member: 7240"] I understood what you said Ken. I don't see how you have addressed my point at all. My point is this: it debases a perception skill's value when you allow people to discover the identical information without having to make the skill check at the required DC. What value is it for the rogue to have a high Gather Information skill if the DM is going to award the information to everyone anyway, regardless of whether they even have ranks in the skill? I have a DM like this. He gets us to roll Spot checks very frequently; he also has a tendency to railroad people and this railroading typically requires that the party discover certain things. His railroading also means that people cannot notice things in advance of when he wants them to -- he decides we are going to be ambushed and it doesn't matter if the party makes Spot and Listen checks of 35, the result is the same as if we had rolled 5s. As a result, nobody in this guy's group ever invests a single rank in Spot or Listen because the skills are debased to the point of being completely valueless. [/QUOTE]

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