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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mark CMG" data-source="post: 5868165" data-attributes="member: 10479">Edition wars are a touchy subject around here.  Claiming the hype or some of the assumptions they are bringing to the table are driving you from even considering 5E isn't yet considered a valid position by many.  Just the fact that you wished to address people who wouldn't be in the 5E forum but having the thread moved to the 5E forum, and that the move made sense to some people, fairly well sums up the general disbelief that anyone can have made up their mind as an impossible scenario.  Personally I recognize it as a valid position even though I'm not close to being there and am still hoping that they build enough into the core game (and OGL the thing) so that it can have some legs with most gamers.  Afterall, I've been a fan since 1974 and despite the hiccups they had retaining their market share with the last edition, they've done pretty well by me providing a huge fan base of potential roleplayers over many, many years.And sadly the same general pushback against making up minds is already in evidence as it was four years ago when some folks didn't care for the direction of the last edition and decided early (or along the way toward release) not to buy in.  They were told you can't know from what we've been given before release.  Then they were told, you can't know from what others are saying unless you read it yourself.  Then they were told you can't know unless you play it yourself.  Then they were told you can't know unless you've run a campaign.  Etc.  Along all of those stages there are people who do know, for themselves, what about the hype, or the glimpses, or the rules discussion, or the gameplay, or the presentation, has helped them make up their minds.  But some simply won't allow for it because it doesn't fit their own feelings about the game they have bought into and somehow discussion of that cannot be had civilly for many.The problem seems to be, however, that the wait and buy and run the game or your opinion doesn't count attitude has WotC shelving a game after four years and begging the public to come on board and help them make a new one that more people will like.  So, if the opinions are going to be discounted no matter at what stage, then the feedback will only come from an echo chamber of stalwart defenders and WotC will wind up with no more than what they got last time around, and probably even less.  That would be a real shame but we'd only have our collective selves to blame for the outcome.</blockquote>

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