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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 7887637" data-attributes="member: 6855114">Remember that a 12th level magic user was able to craft wands and staves (if he had the knowledge, which was not that hard to acquire) and had been penning scrolls since level 5. These were not that costly to make.As for the randomness of the treasures...Yes it was a wee bit geared toward low end magical items. But as you progressed in levels, these same treasures were going toward the mage and high end magical items. Line H (dragon hoard....) was quite generous on that end. And what about treasure F (aka vampire treasure)? 30% of any 3 (except swords and miscelanous weapons) + one potion and one scrolls? Or even the Z? 50% of any 3 magic items. 1ed was fairly generous with magic.Totally agree on that. That is why I always called the wizard a glass canon. Low AC, Low HP had to have a compensation. That compensation was huge damage and versatility. Now, our wizard Has low AC, not too low HP but at the cost of a huge drop in damage output and less spells per day at high level. The trade off is not that advantageous.I rose three group (in 1ed) to these levels. If you would do T1-4 with A1-4 and then GDQ 1-7 (with a splash of a random adventure here and there to bridge these adventures together) you could easily end up level 20 and do &quot;WG4, Isle of the Ape&quot;. And maybe &quot;H1, Mines of Bloodstone&quot; where you would finally hit that level 21. Many people forget the 1gp = 1exp rule in previous edition. That could account for over 75% of all the experience an adventurer could have.Couldn't agree more on that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 7887637, member: 6855114"] Remember that a 12th level magic user was able to craft wands and staves (if he had the knowledge, which was not that hard to acquire) and had been penning scrolls since level 5. These were not that costly to make. As for the randomness of the treasures... Yes it was a wee bit geared toward low end magical items. But as you progressed in levels, these same treasures were going toward the mage and high end magical items. Line H (dragon hoard....) was quite generous on that end. And what about treasure F (aka vampire treasure)? 30% of any 3 (except swords and miscelanous weapons) + one potion and one scrolls? Or even the Z? 50% of any 3 magic items. 1ed was fairly generous with magic. Totally agree on that. That is why I always called the wizard a glass canon. Low AC, Low HP had to have a compensation. That compensation was huge damage and versatility. Now, our wizard Has low AC, not too low HP but at the cost of a huge drop in damage output and less spells per day at high level. The trade off is not that advantageous. I rose three group (in 1ed) to these levels. If you would do T1-4 with A1-4 and then GDQ 1-7 (with a splash of a random adventure here and there to bridge these adventures together) you could easily end up level 20 and do "WG4, Isle of the Ape". And maybe "H1, Mines of Bloodstone" where you would finally hit that level 21. Many people forget the 1gp = 1exp rule in previous edition. That could account for over 75% of all the experience an adventurer could have. Couldn't agree more on that. ;) [/QUOTE]

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