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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8944526" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>Yes, but <em>Birth of a Nation </em>has a significant amount of actual examination of what it is and its racism. Part of the reason it gets shown and examined is <em>because</em> of that. Not every pop culture thing necessarily needs or deserves that level of treatment, hence why I bring up the Censored 11. Not all racism needs to be preserved in its entirety to know that it existed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em>Noooooo, </em></strong>I'm sorry, this is <em>not </em>the same. One is the manifesto of one of the most unfortunately consequential people of the last century, stating his beliefs and why he would do what he did. The other is a terrible collection of racist stereotypes applied to fantasy races. There is plenty to be said about the problematic nature of early D&D, but I'm not sure that this is emblematic of what we are generally talking about.</p><p></p><p>Like, I know there are Mystara fans out there, but is this an incredibly significant release? There are people here who said they were embarrassed upon seeing it. Its portrayal of Orcs is certainly racist, but is it actually <em><strong>significant?</strong></em> Like, did it contribute to what came after it in a notable way? And in <em>what</em> way if so? Like, I got into D&D in the mid-90s as a kid and it wasn't until [USER=6688049]@Dungeonosophy[/USER] did his thread that I had even <em><strong>heard</strong></em> of this book. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would much rather a new work be created than an old one edited, but also I don't think just selling this book with POD is good, either. I don't fully agree with all the suggestions in the other thread, but I really think there are works that are more important than others, and I'm not sure that this book deserves the defense it gets. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If we're talking about anything that gets protested being taken down as a Heckler's Veto, then it dilutes the term to just any sort of protest. More generally, I don't see the petition as any sort of "heckler's veto".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8944526, member: 6778210"] Yes, but [I]Birth of a Nation [/I]has a significant amount of actual examination of what it is and its racism. Part of the reason it gets shown and examined is [I]because[/I] of that. Not every pop culture thing necessarily needs or deserves that level of treatment, hence why I bring up the Censored 11. Not all racism needs to be preserved in its entirety to know that it existed. [B][I]Noooooo, [/I][/B]I'm sorry, this is [I]not [/I]the same. One is the manifesto of one of the most unfortunately consequential people of the last century, stating his beliefs and why he would do what he did. The other is a terrible collection of racist stereotypes applied to fantasy races. There is plenty to be said about the problematic nature of early D&D, but I'm not sure that this is emblematic of what we are generally talking about. Like, I know there are Mystara fans out there, but is this an incredibly significant release? There are people here who said they were embarrassed upon seeing it. Its portrayal of Orcs is certainly racist, but is it actually [I][B]significant?[/B][/I] Like, did it contribute to what came after it in a notable way? And in [I]what[/I] way if so? Like, I got into D&D in the mid-90s as a kid and it wasn't until [USER=6688049]@Dungeonosophy[/USER] did his thread that I had even [I][B]heard[/B][/I] of this book. I would much rather a new work be created than an old one edited, but also I don't think just selling this book with POD is good, either. I don't fully agree with all the suggestions in the other thread, but I really think there are works that are more important than others, and I'm not sure that this book deserves the defense it gets. If we're talking about anything that gets protested being taken down as a Heckler's Veto, then it dilutes the term to just any sort of protest. More generally, I don't see the petition as any sort of "heckler's veto". [/QUOTE]
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