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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 8944817" data-attributes="member: 2209">I am sort of the opposite, I started off thinking I would positively engage and answer his questions (No I would not sign the petition) and provide some reasoning and try to constructively engage on the different points but as I read more, in particular the specific mod warnings, I came to conclude it would be considered not on board with the thread premise and so only posted a minor neutral structural suggestion about his point 4.I think Orcs of Thar has several objectionable aspects.I think he already did a useful thing in his older thread of identifying certain issues so that more people can be aware in considering whether to buy it or avoid it and/or be prepared for its issues if they buy it.It is unfortunate that the original back cover product description and the cover give a different impression of the product (Conan the Barbarian style orcs) than the distasteful humor that is actually a bunch of it (cultural references with stupidity caricatures). I bought it shrink wrapped in the game store in the TSR era based on those cover misleading premises. It is unfortunate that the blurb and cover are verbatim the ad blurb for the PDF.It should have had an indication about the style of humor on both the back blurb and the cover, Jim Holloway did a number of covers and he could have conveyed the tone that is carried out throughout it.It is also unfortunate that the expanded history and commentary description they had done for drivethru characterized it as controversial because it included humor and made no mention of anything distasteful.The fact that it was using humor was not the big problem for me. I like a lot of 40K Ork humor and I could see that working well for a D&D Orc Badlands sourcebook. I am a huge fan of a lot of Jim Holloway's straight humanoid D&D art and I like a lot of his humor D&D art, but I am not a fan of his cross-eyed stupidity caricatures. I found his orc queen short fat black woman savage with big lips and a bone depiction actively distasteful then and now. It was quite the standout piece. I wish there were a better description on the product page that conveyed more accurately the product, but the most that I think should be done is on that level, communicating what it is.I think the constructive thing here is to describe the product and its issues.There are parts of it I like, and parts that could be useful, but there is a lot that is not to my taste. It is too bad, it could have been great.I would still recommend it for people wanting an OSR humanoid race class sourcebook, though I would give them the caveats about the art and the cultural stupidity caricatures.I've also seen people really into some of the setting aspects like the city magically preserved floating in the active volcano.</blockquote>

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