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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8945597" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>I mean, if this is the case why did they put on a disclaimer to begin with if it was only going to be argued about? I feel like these sorts of arguments break down because they can be used to discount all actions, which they kind of are meant to do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah yes, the "Who knows if deciding which charity will be a good business decision" conundrum. Again, this sort of thought of "Anything could hurt the business, so best to do nothing" is just kind of ridiculous on its face. You can make anything into a bad business decision, but that doesn't actually mean it always will be.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Increasing distribution as an educational tool, though, would be more better, which is part of the suggestion. I believe that is part of the point of lowering the price: to get people to buy it as an educational piece.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I thought it was good to observe our history and make sure we don't erase it? I like the idea that [USER=6688049]@Dungeonosophy[/USER] has done enough but also we don't want anyone to see it... but also it's cool to make $10-$20 a pop on individual downloads of it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f606.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":LOL:" title="Laugh :LOL:" data-smilie="17"data-shortname=":LOL:" /></p><p></p><p>Like, if we don't want to draw attention to it, it can just be quietly taken off the market. Instead, [USER=6688049]@Dungeonosophy[/USER] wants to make it a teaching tool to avoid these sorts of racist pitfalls. Given that we've seen these sorts of pitfalls still be made, I think it's actually a smart thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, the point is to draw attention to its historical value, why it's bad, and how to avoid such pitfalls. And again, if you want the product not to gain distribution, you would just take it down. Instead Wizards is making money on it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do not think Dark Sun is more major than Mystara, nor do I think it could survive a reinvisioning that would please the people who want it. On Greyhawk, I'd be interested but it seems unlikely at this point given the age of the setting itself. Investing in a whole new setting would be <em>awesome</em>, but the sheer cost of that without having an in-built fanbase while having to build everything from scratch would be the worst choice of any of these. But I find the whole "cost-benefit" analysis of this to be <em>highly subjective</em>. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60f.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":sneaky:" title="Sneaky :sneaky:" data-smilie="21"data-shortname=":sneaky:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Apparently it's relevant enough to be put in the same breath as <em>Birth of a Nation, Huckleberry Finn, </em>and <em>To Kill a Mockingbird. </em>But being somewhat irrelevant kind of makes it easier to use since there will be less outrage over fixing it outside of people who get really outraged at recognizing and fixing these sorts of things.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, if you turn it into a teaching tool about how to avoid this sort of racism, why wouldn't you want more people to see it? That seems to be the point of things.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Cool! If you are putting it alongside something that talks about its flaws and such, the history of that sort of thing in D&D, that would be interesting and valuable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8945597, member: 6778210"] I mean, if this is the case why did they put on a disclaimer to begin with if it was only going to be argued about? I feel like these sorts of arguments break down because they can be used to discount all actions, which they kind of are meant to do. Ah yes, the "Who knows if deciding which charity will be a good business decision" conundrum. Again, this sort of thought of "Anything could hurt the business, so best to do nothing" is just kind of ridiculous on its face. You can make anything into a bad business decision, but that doesn't actually mean it always will be. Increasing distribution as an educational tool, though, would be more better, which is part of the suggestion. I believe that is part of the point of lowering the price: to get people to buy it as an educational piece. I thought it was good to observe our history and make sure we don't erase it? I like the idea that [USER=6688049]@Dungeonosophy[/USER] has done enough but also we don't want anyone to see it... but also it's cool to make $10-$20 a pop on individual downloads of it. :LOL: Like, if we don't want to draw attention to it, it can just be quietly taken off the market. Instead, [USER=6688049]@Dungeonosophy[/USER] wants to make it a teaching tool to avoid these sorts of racist pitfalls. Given that we've seen these sorts of pitfalls still be made, I think it's actually a smart thing. Again, the point is to draw attention to its historical value, why it's bad, and how to avoid such pitfalls. And again, if you want the product not to gain distribution, you would just take it down. Instead Wizards is making money on it. I do not think Dark Sun is more major than Mystara, nor do I think it could survive a reinvisioning that would please the people who want it. On Greyhawk, I'd be interested but it seems unlikely at this point given the age of the setting itself. Investing in a whole new setting would be [I]awesome[/I], but the sheer cost of that without having an in-built fanbase while having to build everything from scratch would be the worst choice of any of these. But I find the whole "cost-benefit" analysis of this to be [I]highly subjective[/I]. :sneaky: Apparently it's relevant enough to be put in the same breath as [I]Birth of a Nation, Huckleberry Finn, [/I]and [I]To Kill a Mockingbird. [/I]But being somewhat irrelevant kind of makes it easier to use since there will be less outrage over fixing it outside of people who get really outraged at recognizing and fixing these sorts of things. Again, if you turn it into a teaching tool about how to avoid this sort of racism, why wouldn't you want more people to see it? That seems to be the point of things. Cool! If you are putting it alongside something that talks about its flaws and such, the history of that sort of thing in D&D, that would be interesting and valuable. [/QUOTE]
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