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<blockquote data-quote="Someone" data-source="post: 5996715" data-attributes="member: 5656">Turn undead seems to be one of these concepts that big IPs love to overextend until they become absurd - all undead are the same and can be turned, so that turning must be some quality that's harmful to them. Let's call it positive energy, so they are powered by negative energy, which in turn leads us to positive energy powered healing spells and negatively energy harm spells. If you don't stop in time you end with the positive and negative energy planes and fluffastic crunch that's only valid to run D&amp;D derivatives and unnecesarily difficult to develop your own distinct settings. What if I want&nbsp; zombies to be the result of a plague, skeletons to be animated by arcane energy and vampires that are demonic posessions? It's difficult to do that without basically negating one of the clerics class abilities.What I'd like is to have turning that's creature specific, not belonging to a class. Vampires may be turned by garlic and holy symbols; some fey by cold iron or bells, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Someone, post: 5996715, member: 5656"] Turn undead seems to be one of these concepts that big IPs love to overextend until they become absurd - all undead are the same and can be turned, so that turning must be some quality that's harmful to them. Let's call it positive energy, so they are powered by negative energy, which in turn leads us to positive energy powered healing spells and negatively energy harm spells. If you don't stop in time you end with the positive and negative energy planes and fluffastic crunch that's only valid to run D&D derivatives and unnecesarily difficult to develop your own distinct settings. What if I want zombies to be the result of a plague, skeletons to be animated by arcane energy and vampires that are demonic posessions? It's difficult to do that without basically negating one of the clerics class abilities. What I'd like is to have turning that's creature specific, not belonging to a class. Vampires may be turned by garlic and holy symbols; some fey by cold iron or bells, etc. [/QUOTE]

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