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<blockquote data-quote="The Shadow" data-source="post: 6005953" data-attributes="member: 16760">No argument here.&nbsp; Though in fairness to them, they thought the sun literally wouldn't rise if they didn't sacrifice.&nbsp; (If some of them didn't really believe that, yet sacrificed anyway - well, that's just plain evil by any moral compass I have any respect for.)Also a good point.&nbsp; Though there's a chicken-and-egg problem here... is Gruumsh evil because orcs are evil?&nbsp; Or are orcs evil because they were created by Gruumsh?&nbsp; The latter choice seems better supported by the usual fluff.&nbsp; (Though if you go the Tolkien route, perhaps Gruumsh 'created' orcs by corrupting them from some other, relatively nice, raw material.)Gnolls are a bit different, because they worship a demon lord.&nbsp; I doubt Yeenoghu 'created' gnolls in any capacity, so it would be interesting to know what gnolls were like beforehand?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Shadow, post: 6005953, member: 16760"] No argument here. Though in fairness to them, they thought the sun literally wouldn't rise if they didn't sacrifice. (If some of them didn't really believe that, yet sacrificed anyway - well, that's just plain evil by any moral compass I have any respect for.) Also a good point. Though there's a chicken-and-egg problem here... is Gruumsh evil because orcs are evil? Or are orcs evil because they were created by Gruumsh? The latter choice seems better supported by the usual fluff. (Though if you go the Tolkien route, perhaps Gruumsh 'created' orcs by corrupting them from some other, relatively nice, raw material.) Gnolls are a bit different, because they worship a demon lord. I doubt Yeenoghu 'created' gnolls in any capacity, so it would be interesting to know what gnolls were like beforehand? [/QUOTE]

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