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Message: <blockquote data-quote="teitan" data-source="post: 1454346" data-attributes="member: 3457">I started gaming a year before 2E came out and I loved it. We used a mix and match of OD&D and 1E (all we had was a Player's Handbook for 1E, 1st printing no less and the Expert and Master's Boxed Sets) and it worked out just fine. ABout 8 months before 2E came out we got a DMG and MMI&II and the FR boxed set and some of the FR series books and played off of that and OA for a few more months. When 2E came out we didn't really hop over because it wasn't a big deal back then. One new player came in the game with a PHB for 2E and wow was it pretty. We bought a DMG and I devoured it and ran probably the best damn campaign I have ever run using the 2E PHB and DMG and MMI&II for 1E, as well as the monster book for ORIGINAL DnD, y'know the little pamphlet books. Back then, 2E seemed to really just be a simplification of some of the more abstract elements of the 1E, things like Thac0 were simpler than the combat matrix chart but were still the same. 2E didn't start out bad but after they finished the core PHBR books it started to get that way and cross referencing, half assed boxed sets that didn't provide sphere information for deities, supplements that only listed deity NAMES for god's sake (GH 98, I am looking at you) and reliance on OOP and over priced material resulted in a mess of Valdez proportions in gaming. But the mess wasn't that bad... forget all the various PHBR books (well, the Priest comes in handy in my example), build your own world or use the Realms, the three core rules and monster supplements and the Priest book and you have a damn nifty system to use. Not the best, but we had more fun playing DnD with just the core books than we did with the PHBR books (the most frustrating cross referencing came from these books). There was so much I wanted to love about 2E, the settings were great, Dark Sun and Planescape being the obvious examples. I loved Planescape and using the Priests book with it really helped with the lack of the Legends & Lore book, y'know, the pricey OOP book for that line. The general idea that everyone had to have everything factor really hurt the game though as it permutated the sourcebooks.I would not want to play a 2E game. I would have to relearn the whole thing and it was so hard to explain to people how to play, you just had to show them and even then... it was very hard to grasp the concept. 1E on the other hand... I could run that right now with the right players and the old FR boxed set and the FR series of books or the Temple of EE or GDQ series...I miss a few things... being able to fit a character on the front and back of a 3x5 notecard for one. The simplicity of character creation and NPC generation being another. Now there is so much to account for and it gets very frustrating sometimes, but overall 3E is a much better game, better implemented and a lot more exciting and allowing for better customization than the previous 2 editions.And anyone who think 1E was more customizable than 2E... WTF.</blockquote>

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