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<blockquote data-quote="Wolv0rine" data-source="post: 632747" data-attributes="member: 9045"><p>This is entirely true, and the value of art will always fluxuate with every buyer's personal tastes. That being said, every industry market has it's set range of value(s) for art of every type.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A lot of people do not understand the process of making the art itself (which, in all honesty, is at least slightly different from artist to artist). I, myself, work with deadlines. Granted, fairly often those deadlines can be extended if need-be, but not much. Do I work 40 hours a day/5 days a week? Hell no, I work when I feel like drawing. Sometimes that's 12 hours a day, sometimes that's 12 hours a week, sometimes it's an hour or two a week. But the key here is quality. Everything that I turn in, I am agreeing that this piece is fit to see print. I am saying, by turning it in, that this piece is the best I could produce at the time I produced it. Now sometimes I <em>know</em> it's not, and when that happens I am ashamed, and even have to ask myself if I deserve to continue doing this. But every time that comes up, I am again faced with the truth that has led me to art -- that being, I am an artist. Not by choice, not by training, not because I draw for money. It's who I am, it identifies me because the art imposes itself upon me 24/7/365.</p><p>The process, for me, is always grueling. I go through severe eyestrain, incapacitating back and arm pain from a contorted posture held for hours at a time, blinding headaches which are likely from the level of concentration I have to maintain for that long. I have given up drawing for years at a time because of the discomfort and disillusionment. But always, I come back to my pencils, I cannot help but do so.</p><p>So, I suppose in answer to the quote above.. no, it rarely takes so long to finsih a piece. On the other hand, noone I know who works a 'real job' goes through so much effort in doing their job.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, we're looking at quality issues here. I <em>could</em> spend that much time drawing, working on art, and other things directly related. Onthe other hand, the times when I can <u>feel</u> that I am "on" are much, much less frequent than that. I work when I know that I am ready to work, and work well. A lawyer who goes in to the courtroom knowing that he hasn't studied the case knows he doesn't belong there, a public speaker who has laryngitis knows it is not time to do his job. They can do it, but they'd be at sub-par levels at best. On the other hand, I sometimes spend days scouring the web for reference images, information research, etc. Considering that I tend to spend at least 65% of every day in front of my computer, I can guarantee</p><p>that that goes way above 40 hours/week in research time alone. I guess this comes down to, an artist has to work when the time is right, or he will produce bad work, and that does no good for the artist, or the potential buyer.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now this is the only thing that I actually took some offense with. </p><p>This implies that inborn talent either does not exist, or does not matter. This presumes that one cannot learn anything outside of college, on one's own. Aside from 3 years of art classes in High School that I took for fun, I am completely self-taught. I've been self-teaching for nearly 31 years, and that's a lot longer than even the most stringent of degrees takes to aquire. I also seek out harsh critics to point out where I am slacking (my partner being the best I know, she never pulls a punch, and borders on cruel in her critiques, but she's always right). But, really, why should someone who does not neccesarily have any innate talent draw higher pay, just because they went to college?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This part I can <em>at least</em> partially agree with. I accepted long, long ago that I do not truely consider myself an Artist. I haven't got the slightest desire to ever comminicate any message in my work, no conveying of emotions or any crap like that. I am an illustrator, I draw pictures to please the eye and convey a scene, to support ideas and text, to <strong>show things</strong>. If someone defines, in their mind, the look of something by one of my illustrations, then I have done my job, and done it right.</p><p></p><p>*looks around sheepishly*...ermm..okay, gods I hope I got around to the point in that rambling somewhere. I've been typing this for about an hour or so now. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue :P" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wolv0rine, post: 632747, member: 9045"] This is entirely true, and the value of art will always fluxuate with every buyer's personal tastes. That being said, every industry market has it's set range of value(s) for art of every type. [b][/B] A lot of people do not understand the process of making the art itself (which, in all honesty, is at least slightly different from artist to artist). I, myself, work with deadlines. Granted, fairly often those deadlines can be extended if need-be, but not much. Do I work 40 hours a day/5 days a week? Hell no, I work when I feel like drawing. Sometimes that's 12 hours a day, sometimes that's 12 hours a week, sometimes it's an hour or two a week. But the key here is quality. Everything that I turn in, I am agreeing that this piece is fit to see print. I am saying, by turning it in, that this piece is the best I could produce at the time I produced it. Now sometimes I [i]know[/i] it's not, and when that happens I am ashamed, and even have to ask myself if I deserve to continue doing this. But every time that comes up, I am again faced with the truth that has led me to art -- that being, I am an artist. Not by choice, not by training, not because I draw for money. It's who I am, it identifies me because the art imposes itself upon me 24/7/365. The process, for me, is always grueling. I go through severe eyestrain, incapacitating back and arm pain from a contorted posture held for hours at a time, blinding headaches which are likely from the level of concentration I have to maintain for that long. I have given up drawing for years at a time because of the discomfort and disillusionment. But always, I come back to my pencils, I cannot help but do so. So, I suppose in answer to the quote above.. no, it rarely takes so long to finsih a piece. On the other hand, noone I know who works a 'real job' goes through so much effort in doing their job. [b][/b] Again, we're looking at quality issues here. I [i]could[/i] spend that much time drawing, working on art, and other things directly related. Onthe other hand, the times when I can [u]feel[/u] that I am "on" are much, much less frequent than that. I work when I know that I am ready to work, and work well. A lawyer who goes in to the courtroom knowing that he hasn't studied the case knows he doesn't belong there, a public speaker who has laryngitis knows it is not time to do his job. They can do it, but they'd be at sub-par levels at best. On the other hand, I sometimes spend days scouring the web for reference images, information research, etc. Considering that I tend to spend at least 65% of every day in front of my computer, I can guarantee that that goes way above 40 hours/week in research time alone. I guess this comes down to, an artist has to work when the time is right, or he will produce bad work, and that does no good for the artist, or the potential buyer. [b][/b] Now this is the only thing that I actually took some offense with. This implies that inborn talent either does not exist, or does not matter. This presumes that one cannot learn anything outside of college, on one's own. Aside from 3 years of art classes in High School that I took for fun, I am completely self-taught. I've been self-teaching for nearly 31 years, and that's a lot longer than even the most stringent of degrees takes to aquire. I also seek out harsh critics to point out where I am slacking (my partner being the best I know, she never pulls a punch, and borders on cruel in her critiques, but she's always right). But, really, why should someone who does not neccesarily have any innate talent draw higher pay, just because they went to college? [b][/b] This part I can [i]at least[/i] partially agree with. I accepted long, long ago that I do not truely consider myself an Artist. I haven't got the slightest desire to ever comminicate any message in my work, no conveying of emotions or any crap like that. I am an illustrator, I draw pictures to please the eye and convey a scene, to support ideas and text, to [b]show things[/b]. If someone defines, in their mind, the look of something by one of my illustrations, then I have done my job, and done it right. *looks around sheepishly*...ermm..okay, gods I hope I got around to the point in that rambling somewhere. I've been typing this for about an hour or so now. :P [/QUOTE]
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