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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Reprisal" data-source="post: 633456" data-attributes="member: 1161">Just for the record, I believe that being an artist is a real job if you approach it from a fundamentally economic standpoint. Jobs are about livelihood. From all of that comes things like quality, and reliability. But, of course, I approach jobs as a "work to live" game rather than a "live to work" game. So you're situation might be different than mine...Excellent posts, Celebrim. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Re: Wolv0rineQuality and TimeIt should be obvious that I know little about the basics of "image crafting" (illustration, painting, 3D rendering, mixed media et al). I accept that. At the same time, however, I think what I was trying to get at wasn't that I expected you to work 9 to 5 and Monday to Friday, but rather that you keep an accurate account of how long it really takes you to create something. I hold true to the formula I presented: [Materials + (Wage * Time)].  I think the problem is trying to deduce what a proper wage-rate would be and how to accurately gauge the time it took to create an image.That's the kicker.The Certification DebateI think certification is a necessary annoyance in day-to-day life. It's a sort of social short-hand that signifies that you're fully trained and reliably skilled at what it is that you do... whatever that may be. While I agree that natural ability does exist, and that people should be able to get paid for something they taught themselves to do... It's lamentable that these people fall through the cracks of certification, but at the same time, it seems that it's doing much more good that bad.On the contrary, I found your post to be quite coherent. Also, I like the direction you and others are going into defining someone who creates... "Artist" does have certain connotations now, it seems. Is there a difference between someone that defines himself as an Illustrator as opposed to an Artist? I would be inclined to think so, and that difference would be fundamental.If I were to embrace an economic ideology in regards to my images/pieces/pictures/etc then I would call myself a Painter, or an Illustrator more than I would an Artist.But that's just me, it could most certainly be different for many others out there, <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> - Rep.</blockquote>

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