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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 635521" data-attributes="member: 177">Re: Excellent replies, Thank You!Meaning:&nbsp; Artists are trolls. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I feel the need to mention, though, that for a piece of art is placement was... inappropriate and ill chosen.&nbsp; There's a time and place for everything.&nbsp; Specifically seeking to bring out strong emotions in the middle of what others hope will remain a reasoned debate is a touch rude.&nbsp; Sure, you get to sit back and say, &quot;See, my art worked!&quot;&nbsp; In the meantime, you also risk ruining discussion for others.&nbsp; The fact that this was not the result here is fortunate, but that doesn't make the original choice a good one.Ah, but there's something here missing in how you account things.&nbsp; I'll give an example:A typical visit to the veterinarian lasts about 15 minutes.&nbsp; It costs about $40, not counting the cost of the vaccines and medications that you purchase.&nbsp; &quot;Gosh!&quot; you think, &quot;I just paid that person at a rate of $160 an hour.&quot;&nbsp; You'd be incorrect.&nbsp; You paid the animal hospital that rate.That $40 goes to the vet, the trained technician who helped the vet, the maintenance worker who keeps the room sanitary (and paid for the cleaning supplies), and the receptionists in the front office.&nbsp; It goes to give electricity and heat to the building, and to pay for the computer system on which they keep the records such that they can pop them up on a moment's notice in case your animal becomes ill or injured.&nbsp; I short, it pays for most everything that allows that vet to do the job properly, in the way to which you've become accustomed.You see much the same in doctor's offices, and many other professional scenes.&nbsp; The overhead required to give the professional the chance to do their job is large, and must be paid for.This leads into something else being discussed.&nbsp; Certification.&nbsp; Some folks lament certification systems, because lacking the certification can be a barrier.&nbsp; Well, it isn't like that certification comes without a cost...Look at that veterinarian.&nbsp; Beyond high school, getting her certification took her eight years.&nbsp; When she leaves school, she's typically got her doctorate, some standard unimpressive personal posessions, an empty bank account, and a six-figure debt load.&nbsp; She's got to do the same saving for retirement that less certified people must do, but she's got less time to do it in, and she's gotta pay off greater debt while she's doing it.&nbsp; I know most of you understand such on a general level.&nbsp; I thought it might help to give something a little more specific.&nbsp; If you didn't get a college degree, you frequently do have a sort of salary cap working against you, yes.&nbsp; But you are eight years and over one hundred thousand dollars ahead of the veterinarian, earning's wise.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 635521, member: 177"] [b]Re: Excellent replies, Thank You![/b] Meaning: Artists are trolls. :) I feel the need to mention, though, that for a piece of art is placement was... inappropriate and ill chosen. There's a time and place for everything. Specifically seeking to bring out strong emotions in the middle of what others hope will remain a reasoned debate is a touch rude. Sure, you get to sit back and say, "See, my art worked!" In the meantime, you also risk ruining discussion for others. The fact that this was not the result here is fortunate, but that doesn't make the original choice a good one. Ah, but there's something here missing in how you account things. I'll give an example: A typical visit to the veterinarian lasts about 15 minutes. It costs about $40, not counting the cost of the vaccines and medications that you purchase. "Gosh!" you think, "I just paid that person at a rate of $160 an hour." You'd be incorrect. You paid [i]the animal hospital[/i] that rate. That $40 goes to the vet, the trained technician who helped the vet, the maintenance worker who keeps the room sanitary (and paid for the cleaning supplies), and the receptionists in the front office. It goes to give electricity and heat to the building, and to pay for the computer system on which they keep the records such that they can pop them up on a moment's notice in case your animal becomes ill or injured. I short, it pays for most everything that allows that vet to do the job properly, in the way to which you've become accustomed. You see much the same in doctor's offices, and many other professional scenes. The overhead required to give the professional the chance to do their job is large, and must be paid for. This leads into something else being discussed. Certification. Some folks lament certification systems, because lacking the certification can be a barrier. Well, it isn't like that certification comes without a cost... Look at that veterinarian. Beyond high school, getting her certification took her eight years. When she leaves school, she's typically got her doctorate, some standard unimpressive personal posessions, an empty bank account, and a six-figure debt load. She's got to do the same saving for retirement that less certified people must do, but she's got less time to do it in, and she's gotta pay off greater debt while she's doing it. I know most of you understand such on a general level. I thought it might help to give something a little more specific. If you didn't get a college degree, you frequently do have a sort of salary cap working against you, yes. But you are eight years and over one hundred thousand dollars ahead of the veterinarian, earning's wise. [/QUOTE]

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