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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wolv0rine" data-source="post: 636262" data-attributes="member: 9045">Of course it doesn't, if a piece of art (of whatever sort) doesn't strike you personally, nothing is going to change that.  I agree with you entirely on this point.The example may have been a bad one, I grant you, but the point I was trying to show is that there are times when someone looks at an artist's work and says "This is all wrong, this isn't good here" and gives it a bad critique, when what really happened was the viewer did not understand what the aretist was doing in that instance.  Granted this is not saying "if you don't like it, or don't 'get it', then you didn't understand", it's no universal thing.  But I've had critiques from artistic laypersons, and from talented and skilled professionals who gave a negative critique on a piece I did, because they didn't understand something I'd done, and once I pointed out "I did this here for X reason", they nodded and suddenly changed their minds.  Again I grant this is not something that's even often the case, but it does happen.  Now if what you're saying is something to the effect of "People who refuse to take criticism becauase they think they are infallable are wrong", yes, I agree 150% with that.  And I am getting that you're saying that you should be courteous and appreciative of someone taking the time to give you that criticism no matter what they are saying, and I agree with that wholeheartedly as well.  But I don't want the point to be lost in the shuffle that not all critiques are correct.I'm having a very hard time seeing the difference between these trwo "Values".  Yes, I value a working car enough to pay the b@stard, but I've never had a car repair that was worth the price I had to pay to get it done, from my wallet's POV (my wallet has no use for a car, working or not, it does not care if it goes anywhere, just if it holds money or not).  This harkens back to art pricing, and is art generally worth hundreds of dollars.  And, because everyone has to eat, my own answer is "That depends on if I'm buying it, or selling it".  *chuckles*  If I'm buying it?  No, it is 100% never, ever, in any universe worth anything near that much money.  But then again, if I want art, I can create it myself and so I no doubt have a strong bias because of that. I don't think you can walk 10 feet outside of your front door without being confronted with this as fact.  Anything has, actually, two Values; What someone will pay for it, and how you feel about it personally.  There are a small handful of things that I have created that are not for sale at any price, ever.  These are things that I feel a conncetion or protective nature for too strongly to ever part with them, and likely their value to someone else would be marginal at best.  Everything else is worth what I could realistically get for them.  But that realistic price IS going to have to take into account my materials and labor, or else I will be unable to create any more, and then I am screwed.  But I don't feel badly about that part, because (as I was saying with the car mechanic analogy), everyone else does this, too.  I'm not trying to elevate artists above anyone, I'm simply establishing an equal ground.I agree, it doesn't impress me either.  But, on the other hand, someone telling me "I worked very hard on this, and I'm going to have to take that into account when I price it, because I could have been working on that over there instead" -- that I do understand.  I will not pay more because of the arguement, but I will stop to reconsider the rationale behind the price asked, to see if I think it may be fair.  I'm a very strong supporter of fairness in business transactions.</blockquote>

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