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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 8262757" data-attributes="member: 326">To allow for the possibility of combat...fought a few gods back in the day. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I fail to see why such creatures cannot be plot points and combat encounters? Added to which the power of any monster, even the Tarrasque is relative. With 3rd Edition's Epic level Handbook it was possible an individual PC could end up more powerful than a Tarrasque.Surely its more likely DMs will be using it as a gauge. If your players are metagaming (albeit whats wrong with that if they are having fun) then the DM can always mix things up and change stats about.You are talking about formulaic Encounter Design. That's a separate issue from Challenge Rating.Someone early in this thread highlighted the difference they found between CR 8 Githyanki Knights and CR 9 Fire Giants. When I examined the difference the Githyanki's CR (going by the table) was vastly over inflated.Look at CR as a 'best estimate'.No matter how good a CR system, it can't account for a monster rolling well, players using clever tactics and the like.Exactly, its not. But its still handy to have.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 8262757, member: 326"] To allow for the possibility of combat...fought a few gods back in the day. ;) I fail to see why such creatures cannot be plot points and combat encounters? Added to which the power of any monster, even the Tarrasque is relative. With 3rd Edition's Epic level Handbook it was possible an individual PC could end up more powerful than a Tarrasque. Surely its more likely DMs will be using it as a gauge. If your players are metagaming (albeit whats wrong with that if they are having fun) then the DM can always mix things up and change stats about. You are talking about formulaic Encounter Design. That's a separate issue from Challenge Rating. Someone early in this thread highlighted the difference they found between CR 8 Githyanki Knights and CR 9 Fire Giants. When I examined the difference the Githyanki's CR (going by the table) was vastly over inflated. Look at CR as a 'best estimate'. No matter how good a CR system, it can't account for a monster rolling well, players using clever tactics and the like. Exactly, its not. But its still handy to have. [/QUOTE]

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