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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8262804" data-attributes="member: 83242">I agree with you.  I eventually decided that it was my preference to do that by shifting my thinking about what CR means and having higher CR monsters for truly epic entities. So, in my mind a CR 20 monster is a solo boss monster for a lvl 13 or so group. It is high level, but really "epic." Epic monsters don't start until probably CR 27+. Unfortunately, WotC has published very few monsters of that caliber.OH, I forgot one thing - have you checked out the Mythic Monsters from Theros?  They are another way to make epic monsters with lower CR ratings (getting a lot more HP for the same CR).  I really like the design space of Mythic Monsters and have made simplified versions I call "elite" monsters.It always does - good luck!</blockquote>