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<blockquote data-quote="The Sigil" data-source="post: 2398396" data-attributes="member: 2013">The problem with the bard as written is that his principle schtick - his music - is woefully underdeveloped.&nbsp; Plain and simple.&nbsp; I mean, if your wizard had the same spell list as every other wizard, and there was only one spell per level, it would suck.Clerics have tons of domains and spells. Fighters have a bucketload of Feats.&nbsp; Thieves have skills and sneak attacks and evasion. Wizards have even more spells.&nbsp; Druids and monks and rangers and paladins and barbarians get new and varied little &quot;goodies&quot; every level or two.Bards get very few spells, a limited list at that, and music which really doesn't do a whole heck of a lot.&nbsp; Develop music, and you develop a bard class worth playing.&nbsp; Monte's spellsongs in the Book of Eldritch Might series, for instance, got some people interested that weren't before - not because the abilities are all that different, but because the schtick of music is more thoroughly explored.Obligatory Disclaimer - I wrote a 144-page PDF centered around bardic music, so I'm biased. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; I won't link it here in self-promotion because I want the discussion to be around my point - underdeveloped &quot;core schtick&quot; is the problem with the bard - than I want to put in a plug.--The Sigil</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Sigil, post: 2398396, member: 2013"] The problem with the bard as written is that his principle schtick - his music - is woefully underdeveloped. Plain and simple. I mean, if your wizard had the same spell list as every other wizard, and there was only one spell per level, it would suck. Clerics have tons of domains and spells. Fighters have a bucketload of Feats. Thieves have skills and sneak attacks and evasion. Wizards have even more spells. Druids and monks and rangers and paladins and barbarians get new [b]and varied[/b] little "goodies" every level or two. Bards get very few spells, a limited list at that, and music which really doesn't do a whole heck of a lot. Develop music, and you develop a bard class worth playing. Monte's spellsongs in the Book of Eldritch Might series, for instance, got some people interested that weren't before - not because the abilities are all that different, but because the schtick of music is more thoroughly explored. Obligatory Disclaimer - I wrote a 144-page PDF centered around bardic music, so I'm biased. ;) I won't link it here in self-promotion because I want the discussion to be around my point - underdeveloped "core schtick" is the problem with the bard - than I want to put in a plug. --The Sigil [/QUOTE]

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