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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 3968902" data-attributes="member: 9789">I'm sure this question has been asked before, but why is it that a 6th level spell (create undead) can only create a CR 1 creature with 13 HP when you first get it, but a 4th level spell (animate dead) can potentially create a CR 6 creature with over 80 HP when you first get it?It seems like create undead should really be more like a 3rd level spell.&nbsp; It's almost worthless compared to animate dead, at least until level 15 or so.&nbsp; The undead it creates also are not under your control; they need an additional spell to control them.&nbsp; So why is this spell such a high level?&nbsp; What makes it worthwhile?&nbsp; And why is it a 6th level spell?However, even worse is the disparity between command undead and control undead.&nbsp; Command is a 2nd level spell that is an auto-win against unintelligent undead, and when it works it works for days and days.&nbsp; Control is a 7th level spell that works for minutes.&nbsp; Granted, it is apparently more like dominate vs. command's charm-like effect, but the duration makes the spell completely useless.&nbsp; It can also potentially work on more than one target, but since you're limited by hit die - 2 HD/level - you'll be lucky to actually get anything with few enough HD for the spell to even qualify.Sure, the level is higher, so the DC is naturally higher, but other than that, what's the point?&nbsp; What makes this spell useful at all?&nbsp; Why would you ever bother?Any light shed on either of these quandaries is appreciated!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 3968902, member: 9789"] I'm sure this question has been asked before, but why is it that a 6th level spell ([I]create undead[/I]) can only create a CR 1 creature with 13 HP when you first get it, but a 4th level spell ([I]animate dead[/I]) can potentially create a CR 6 creature with over 80 HP when you first get it? It seems like create undead should really be more like a 3rd level spell. It's almost worthless compared to animate dead, at least until level 15 or so. The undead it creates also are not under your control; they need an additional spell to control them. So why is this spell such a high level? What makes it worthwhile? And why is it a 6th level spell? However, even worse is the disparity between [I]command undead[/I] and [I]control undead[/I]. [I]Command [/I]is a 2nd level spell that is an auto-win against unintelligent undead, and when it works it works for days and days. [I]Control [/I]is a 7th level spell that works for minutes. Granted, it is apparently more like dominate vs. [I]command[/I]'s charm-like effect, but the duration makes the spell completely useless. It can also potentially work on more than one target, but since you're limited by hit die - 2 HD/level - you'll be lucky to actually get anything with few enough HD for the spell to even qualify. Sure, the level is higher, so the DC is naturally higher, but other than that, what's the point? What makes this spell useful at all? Why would you ever bother? Any light shed on either of these quandaries is appreciated! [/QUOTE]

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