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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 8418438" data-attributes="member: 6799660">After 18 pages of this, it's pretty clear that your personal position on this is solidly ossified, so I don't know if this is particularly worthwhile. Regardless, I think that you do not give the community enough credit. If a solidly rigorous non-magical task resolution system were actually built, it is entirely possible that the player base would take to it in a heartbeat. As it stands that seems like a great untested proposition. Likewise, although I agree that with 5e the designers initially leaned extra hard into the 'use a spell  to accomplish things whenever possible' mentality, they have been slowly expanding the mundane activity rules, quite possibly because the fanbase has been asking for it. I suspect that the further expansion of D&D 5e in 2024 may well include greater expansion down the direction that XGtE and TCoE started. Regardless, I have no idea why this would matter to the thread at hand, which is not the game designers, official publishers, or anything else. The thread topic seems to be what is the thing that the people who wish for a spell-less ranger actually want, and to the discussion of that, it seems whether the larger community would accept it is largely irrelevant. This category of people can want the thing and it has no bearing on the community at large. It isn't a case of 'you'll get what you want, and it will keep me from getting what I want' because neither this subgroup of gamers, nor the participants of this thread, have that kind of power.</blockquote>

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