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Message: <blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 4308296" data-attributes="member: 9789">I am sure they are good...  I remember thinking they were good.  But after looking again last night I couldn't figure out why.  I mean, sure they're an implement that can have bonuses, and they key off Wisdom which is good for two of the at-will powers, but what makes an orb better than any other implement?They can do 3 things, choose one per encounter:- make cloud of daggers stick around 1 more round (to do Wis damage)- make ray of frost slow something 1 more round- cause something to take -Wis to a single save(Granted, hopefully with some supplements the number of at-will powers this can affect will go up.)I guess the problem is that I just don't see how nice the first two options are, and have you actually looked at how many wizard spells require a save?  There's one at level 1:  sleep.  (And frankly, it kinda sucks in my experience.)  And until you're in epic tier, there really are not many.  At all.And saves generally favor the saver.  By a lot.  And when you're talking about elite or solo monsters...  even spell focus + 18 wis + orb = you've just made a solo monster have ONLY a 50% chance to make a single save.  Whee.Except again for some of the epic-tier spells (hello, retraining), it seems like it would be a much better idea to just go with the wand for +Dex to hit once per encounter or even the staff for the +1 AC bonus and +Con 1/enc.  At least those will be actively used much more often at low levels, until you manage to get some decent spells that give saves.  Or better yet:  take the 2nd implement feat once you get to paragon tier.  That's about when orbs would start to be useful.Can anyone remind me why everyone seems to be ga-ga over orbs again?  I am sure I'm probably missing something...</blockquote>

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