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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ConcreteBuddha" data-source="post: 152170" data-attributes="member: 3139">Paladins are so dumb because there aren't any good reasons to have a high intellegence in the efficiency department.I really think that unless your spells, skills, or class abilities are based on Intellegence, it will always be a dump stat from a min/maxing perspective.Same goes with all of the other classes and attributes. Let's look at all of the classes and their respective dump stats:Barbarian: Int and ChrBard: Don't know (Bard is a "dump class" IMHO) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Cleric: Int and DexDruid: Str and Dex (Irrelevent with Wild Shape)Fighter: Int and ChrMonk: Int and ChrPaladin: Int and DexRanger: Int and ChrRogue: DependsSorcerer: Everything but ChrWizard: Everything but IntUsing the above assumption, IMO every class except for Wizards can use Int as a dump stat.IMX, every character (except Wizards) I see played tends to use Intellegence as a dump statistic. All of the adventurers in my campaign and others I've played in are idiots.I've always wanted to play a Barbarian with scores like this: Charisma (15)Intellegence (14) Wisdom (13)Dexterity (12)Constitution (10) Strength (8)However, this character would suck. Fun, but sucky, nonetheless...(Until I get Leadership. But then my lacky with the high strength will kill everything for me. AHAHAHA!!!)Just to prove my point, I once played a Wizard with a 5 Int. Needless to say, I was pretty ineffective.I think this has more to do with the focus in the game towards combat prowess more than anything else.Intellegence is not a dump stat if you are constantly solving puzzles, outwitting people and using skills.I have never seen this:Player #1: "Damn it! My fighter just isn't smart enough...his 18 Str is utterly worthless..."Player #2: "Yeah, maybe you could talk the DM into letting you change that. Then your character could get into medical school!"Player #1: "Nifty!!!"Two other situations:#1 "Sorry, Bob the Barbarian, you can't lift the gate because you failed your Str check.""But I can lift that in real life!!"#2 "Sorry, Bob the Barbarian, you can't figure out that puzzle because you failed your Int check.""But I figured out the puzzle right here!"I think people would tend to agree that the DM is right in situation #1, but not in situation #2.Why? No clue... However, until DMs enforce that it sucks to have a low intellegence, then all characters, not just paladins, will put their "dump stat" in intellegence.</blockquote>

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